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  • dirtisforracin
    Senior Member
    • Aug 2007
    • 545

    #16
    mudslinger, I agree, but big business is looking for a handout, as well. This should be stopped as well. Also on foreign aid should be limited to Isreal, no one else. Way to many americans looking for a handout, what ever happened to a lend a hand up! True capitalism allows failure.

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    • Bubstr
      Senior Member
      • Feb 2008
      • 3734

      #17
      Originally posted by dirtisforracin View Post
      mudslinger, I agree, but big business is looking for a handout, as well. This should be stopped as well. Also on foreign aid should be limited to Isreal, no one else. Way to many americans looking for a handout, what ever happened to a lend a hand up! True capitalism allows failure.
      Why is Israel exempt? I don't remember signing any adoption papers. I would not only cut off aid, I'd close about 80% of the military bases around the world and stop interfearing with their domestic politics.

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      • Clayton_Wetter
        Banned
        • May 2007
        • 16671

        #18
        Originally posted by Bubstr View Post
        Why is Israel exempt? I don't remember signing any adoption papers. I would not only cut off aid, I'd close about 80% of the military bases around the world and stop interfearing with their domestic politics.

        Ever read a Bible?

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        • Bubstr
          Senior Member
          • Feb 2008
          • 3734

          #19
          Originally posted by Clayton_Wetter View Post
          Ever read a Bible?
          Did God say we had to give Israelis Airplanes and Tanks to kill Muslims? I must have missed that part. I believe some of the founding fathers warned us to keep separate Church and State. Maybe the right wing Christian coalition would be happy to give them private funds. Sounds like the democrats aren't the only ones that like to give other peoples money away.

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          • Clayton_Wetter
            Banned
            • May 2007
            • 16671

            #20
            You don't get the Bibles point. You wouldn't make a personal donation either would you? How are you to be judged. Not for me to answer that.

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            • LITE-INN
              Banned
              • Feb 2008
              • 12473

              #21
              wouldn't vote for him. He is way too confrontational and abusive to people when he disagrees with them. I've seen clips of him laying into reporters asking him perfectly valid question. I think he's great for New Jersey, but that's where it ends. He has neither the temperament nor aptitude to lead the entire nation. LMFAO BUT OBAMA I 'M GLAD HE WASN'T PREZ 50 YEARS AGO

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              • LITE-INN
                Banned
                • Feb 2008
                • 12473

                #22
                Originally posted by Bubstr View Post
                Why is Israel exempt? I don't remember signing any adoption papers. I would not only cut off aid, I'd close about 80% of the military bases around the world and stop interfearing with their domestic politics.
                http://www.christianzionism.org/BibleSays/Sizer03.pdf

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                • mudslinger47
                  Banned
                  • May 2007
                  • 3452

                  #23
                  Dirtisforracin...I agree with you on the corprate welfare. There are valid points of corperate welfare, but if a company is makin stuff outside our borders, they don't need our tax dollars to help them here, unless they're moving "ALL" their operations back to the good ole US of A. And with foriegn aid, those that don't like us get nothing, those that say they like us but don't show it very well get nothing....they want our money they better jump through some hoops....Isreal gets aid...the anti-semites will disagree, that OK

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                  • Bubstr
                    Senior Member
                    • Feb 2008
                    • 3734

                    #24
                    Originally posted by Clayton_Wetter View Post
                    You don't get the Bibles point. You wouldn't make a personal donation either would you? How are you to be judged. Not for me to answer that.
                    You didn't make the Bible's point. While we may trust in God, or so our money says, we leave legislation to government of all the people, even Atheists. If God wants the Israelite protected, he will resurrect Joshuah to hold up his hands, till the Arabs come tumbling down.

                    No it's not for you to judge. My god said Thou shall not lust after your neighbors goods right by where it says, thou shall not steal. This includes Middle east oil. And yes, I have read the Bible. It also says Thou shall not kill for oil.

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                    • dirtisforracin
                      Senior Member
                      • Aug 2007
                      • 545

                      #25
                      So we are stealing oil. We are killing for oil. What about the muslims slaying christians daily over there, for nothing other then being christians. Bubstr come on man!!! If you read the bible you surely know that many were killed in the bible. What happens to women and gays over there.? God for that?
                      Maybe if Obama, the tree huggers, and climate change morons would allow us to get our own oil we would not rely on them so much..

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                      • Clayton_Wetter
                        Banned
                        • May 2007
                        • 16671

                        #26
                        Originally posted by Bubstr View Post
                        You didn't make the Bible's point. While we may trust in God, or so our money says, we leave legislation to government of all the people, even Atheists. If God wants the Israelite protected, he will resurrect Joshuah to hold up his hands, till the Arabs come tumbling down.

                        No it's not for you to judge. My god said Thou shall not lust after your neighbors goods right by where it says, thou shall not steal. This includes Middle east oil. And yes, I have read the Bible. It also says Thou shall not kill for oil.
                        Just it's okay to ignore people dying and being threatened with annihilation and saying that's GOD's problem? (scratching head) Yep that's their problem not mine, right?

                        By the way, you tried to hammer me about a secured border as being useless. Well Israel now has a secured border and annual illegal crossings have went from 10 to 12 thousand down to 36 this year.
                        Last edited by Clayton_Wetter; 11-13-2013, 03:34 PM.

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                        • Clayton_Wetter
                          Banned
                          • May 2007
                          • 16671

                          #27
                          I believe that Christie is what you would call a Progressive Republican as could be said for much of the GOP. Any true conservative can not vote for this guy.

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                          • Bubstr
                            Senior Member
                            • Feb 2008
                            • 3734

                            #28
                            Originally posted by Clayton_Wetter View Post
                            Just it's okay to ignore people dying and being threatened with annihilation and saying that's GOD's problem? (scratching head) Yep that's their problem not mine, right?

                            By the way, you tried to hammer me about a secured border as being useless. Well Israel now has a secured border and annual illegal crossings have went from 10 to 12 thousand down to 36 this year.
                            True colors coming out. You are bot a fiscal conservative, but a bleeding heart liberal. We ignore the poor black people in the rest of Africa who are getting killed. What makes these people anymore special.

                            By the way, if we could get someone to pay our defense bill like we do for them, we could build your border wall. It wouldn't be as effective as throwing business owners in jail for hiring them.

                            It seems you conveniently forget we are broke except when it comes to entitlements. Seems to be a republican trait.

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                            • Clayton_Wetter
                              Banned
                              • May 2007
                              • 16671

                              #29
                              Originally posted by Bubstr View Post
                              True colors coming out. You are bot a fiscal conservative, but a bleeding heart liberal. We ignore the poor black people in the rest of Africa who are getting killed. What makes these people anymore special.

                              By the way, if we could get someone to pay our defense bill like we do for them, we could build your border wall. It wouldn't be as effective as throwing business owners in jail for hiring them.

                              It seems you conveniently forget we are broke except when it comes to entitlements. Seems to be a republican trait.
                              AHHHHHHHH!!!

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                              • t.nie
                                Senior Member
                                • Aug 2008
                                • 1146

                                #30
                                Originally posted by dirtisforracin View Post
                                I'm saying its not the goverments FEMA responsiblity to pay for those repairs with those natural disasters. Period. Where in Constitution does it state that is payed for? The more the people rely on goverment, the more they will be let down. Anyone see how much of NJ and NY are still waiting for goverment assistance related to Sandy. Of course if Bush were still in office, the news would be all over him, but its like homeless and hungry during holidays. The media only covers it when a republican is in office. There are no homeless and hungry during the great one terms.
                                We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America

                                I would interpret "insuring domestic tranquility" as responding to a natural disaster in any part of the USA with assistance as the citizens suffering from the catastrophe sure as heck aren't enjoying "domestic tranquility."

                                I would interpret aiding with troops and added security during a time of natural disaster as being constitutional as the Constitutions says "provide for the common defence" and FEMA directly pumping money and resources into the community falls under "promote the general welfare."

                                Now, you can disagree with that interpretation, but I doubt you can tell me logically that those statements in the Constitution of the USA can not be reasonably interpreted to mean that FEMA and aid and troops being sent to areas of the USA where natural disasters occur is not putting those words into action.

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