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Originally posted by racin6mod
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If you believe Fox only tells the truth, you are so mistaken.Fox has it's own agenda to spin on the news.Just like CNN ,MSN,Fox ,Weather Channel. The list goes on.Comment
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Correct me if I'm wrong. Didn't the left refer to the ACA as being "government run" health care as a "conspiracy theory" by the right??? Wasn't it foo fooed and countered with statements like.........
If you like your plan, you can keep it.
If you like your doctor, you can keep him/her.
The government will not get between you and your medical care.
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Do any of you (t.nie) recall that????
We find out now, that some of the top hospitals for cancer and research will not be included "in network" with Obamacare. Seems to me that IS getting between me and my healthcare!!!
Why can't people admit that this law is. and always will be a DISMAL FAILURE.
Healthcare will be MORE messed up than it was before it was passed.Comment
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Originally posted by skids View Post
Since it's the law of the land, I wonder what these hospitals will be doing for a living? I would guess they just plan on charging the patient for everything instead of just over charges as they do now with most ins plans. I guess if you want that caliber of treatment, you will have to pay for it. I did a couple years ago to the tune of $2k above ins. payout.Comment
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Hmmmm. Shouldn't everyone have the right to get treatment from the best and most competent healthcare facilities? It would seem everyone has the right to healthcare, but they aren't necessarily entitled to get their care from the most competent facilities if they aren't financially equipped to do so.Comment
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Everyone has the right to the health care they want. They also have the responsibility to pay for it, just like it's always been. There are a lot of competent facilities, If you want something special, you usually pay a special price. When I took my wife to Mayo clinic, I expected to pay a premium price. I was ecstatic when it was much cheaper than the specialists we had been to that didn't have a clue. You can still choose to buy a Cadillac insurance plan.Originally posted by CIRF View PostComment
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Bubstr, for years we've heard some politicians, and others, say "everyone has the right to competent healthcare". It would seem at this point that the tune has changed to "the competency of your healthcare provider is based upon your ability to pay".
The poor folk get their healthcare from quacks, and the rich folk get their's from Cleveland Clinic or Johns Hopkins or Mayo Clinic or Cedars Sinai. Doesn't this fly in the face of what hussein and those of his ideological stance stand for?.
Bub, in reference to Mayo Clinic, my family has been going there since in the 1940's starting with my Dad. My first trip there as a patient was 1985. We have made the 6 hour one way trip to Rochester, Minnesota countless times since then and have found our experience dealing with them to be the same as what you referred to. The costs at Mayo are almost always less than comparable care and procedures near home. It must be volume since there are upwards of 32,000 patients in Rochester on any given day.Comment
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If you stopped with your first two sentences, we could agree. But, like CIRF said, your statement flies in the face of what the ACA was, and still is, touted to be! That was the point I was making.Originally posted by Bubstr View PostComment
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I'm sorry, the cost of the care does not reflect the quality of the care. Take that from someone who has paid a lot for substandard care, from reputable university teaching facilities. If you want to find a good Dr, ask a nurse, how many, he's killed and how many he's cured. They won't give you a answer, but they will tell you who they trust.Comment
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Mayo clinic is a amazing place. From how you are treated when you check in to the time you check out, to the quality of care. I had the opportunity to talk to one of the Drs about it as I'm always asking Why. He told me, it starts with talent. If your not in the top 1% of your class in Med school, don't apply for a internship. Out of these 90% will be sent packing after board interviews. Around 400 will start their internship and only around 100 will finish all 4 years. Of these 5 to 10 will be offered residency. Residency is easier to get than to keep, because of monthly board reviews. They review every case to see if the best available care was given to each patient and no unnecessary treatment or tests. One fail wipes out 10 success stories. The Doctors are on salaries that equal the average of the best in the world, They make no more for extra procedures or any less. It makes no difference if a neurosurgeon cuts one head open or 100. It does make a difference if he cuts one that didn't need to be cut. The rest of the staff is paid well and gets half time pep talks daily. You will notice each of the 100 plus people in the waiting room on each of the 14 floors get treated like family even if they are disagreeable. Even billing treats you well. They know your sick, your scared and your worried about how your going to pay for it. A lot of care facilities could learn from this place. Before she even seen a Doctor, my wife,who was clinically blind by this time, said, :I've got a good feeling about this place". After seeing the Doctor for 20 minutes he said this is what you have and this is how we fix it, she was ecstatic. Not as ecstatic as she was the day she had 20/15 vision with out glasses for the first time in her life.Originally posted by CIRF View PostComment
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Everything you say is absolutely true. One example of how Mayo operates: this is a true story to which I would swear on a stack of Holy Bibles and my Wife was there and witnessed it as well. I go to Mayo every 2 years for a general check-up and to see a specialist whom I've been seeing for 20 years. He has dual citizenship and spends quite a bit of time in Europe doing research and is considered the #1 specialist in his field IN THE WORLD, and that ain't no bull. Several years ago my Wife and I waited for around 2 hours for a final consultation with this specialist. He was running behind and came to the examination room where we were waiting and was sincerely apologetic almost to a fault. He offered to go get us some coffee or a soda, etc. and said he would be about another hour. Now remember, this doctor is widely acclaimed as the #1 guy in his field world wide and he's offering to go get my Wife and I something to drink 'cause he's running so far behind. How many places would that happen?
Mayo Clinic is as Bubstr says a truly amazing place. The fairly new Gonda building is state of the art and the whole complex is by far the most impressive health care facility we've ever seen. We've been to all of the highly touted facilities in chitcago at one time or another and none of them hold a candle to Mayo!Comment
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