Kurt Busch To Attempt The Memorial Day Double

[blackford]

You Go CIRF dude!! You Go!!!

[retired racer]

CIRF your to funny,remember our conversation last winter, once again your the one changing facts to suit your self, laughing at you.

[Barbecueboy]

Actually , I think the indy 500 was won by a former taxi cab driver one time .

In one of the greatest saves of all time, Danny Sullivan spun it and won it back in the mid 80s and I'm pretty sure that somewhere along the way he was a cab driver pre race fame.......or at least that's what the spin on him was( no pun intended)

Whatever the case, it's absurd to think that somebody could hang on to a bucket of bolts doing anywhere from 185 to 225 for 500 miles and not wreck anybody , finish in a decent position and not be considered a pretty good driver.

There isn't a single one amongst us ( well maybe a few) that would or could dare ever do that and make it to the end without a dnf.( or worse)

Give the boy some credit( Busch)......... He is /was a d head, he is arrogant, he isn't very friendly except with his inner circle, but he can drive a car......he finished 6 th out of 33 at the biggest race in the world for goodness sake.

As far as the real driver and driving skills involved in winning a grueling race in the equation on that pre memorial Sunday race day , hands down it was the driver that won the Grand Prix of Monaco.......anybody know who that was ????( without cheating and looking it up).......there is your winning driver of the day my friends.

[race21j]

CIRF your to funny,remember our conversation last winter, once again your the one changing facts to suit your self, laughing at you.

Wow are you saying that some of his information may be flawed.???? Say it is not so.The earth may stand still if so. I have my Seat belt on just in case.

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[CIRF]

Actually , I think the indy 500 was won by a former taxi cab driver one time .

In one of the greatest saves of all time, Danny Sullivan spun it and won it back in the mid 80s and I'm pretty sure that somewhere along the way he was a cab driver pre race fame.......or at least that's what the spin on him was( no pun intended)

Whatever the case, it's absurd to think that somebody could hang on to a bucket of bolts doing anywhere from 185 to 225 for 500 miles and not wreck anybody , finish in a decent position and not be considered a pretty good driver.

There isn't a single one amongst us ( well maybe a few) that would or could dare ever do that and make it to the end without a dnf.( or worse)

Give the boy some credit( Busch)......... He is /was a d head, he is arrogant, he isn't very friendly except with his inner circle, but he can drive a car......he finished 6 th out of 33 at the biggest race in the world for goodness sake.

As far as the real driver and driving skills involved in winning a grueling race in the equation on that pre memorial Sunday race day , hands down it was the driver that won the Grand Prix of Monaco.......anybody know who that was ????( without cheating and looking it up).......there is your winning driver of the day my friends.

I digress and believe you to once again be correct, BBQB. I think I've also heard that "Spin & Win" Danny Sullivan, the winner of the 1985 Indianapolis 500, in fact did drive a taxi cab as his primary source of income for a time prior to his sports car and Indy Car days. I believe Bennie Parson also drove a taxi cab for a living prior to his glory days driving them on a race track.

BBQB, I said in a previous post that a 6th was a good finish for a guy never having driven an Indy Car. But, once again, it's not quite as good as a predecessor or possibly two with similar circumstances and driving history. I truly believe that is credit where credit is due and I never have said that buschy is not an above average driver. I just refuse to get all carried away about it when it's been done better by someone else.

In reference to the winning driver at Monoco, I can't tell you who that was and he may well be the most talented driver to race on Memorial Day Weekend as you say. I would tend to believe you to probably be right 'cause you generally know the facts prior to posting, unlike some others posting in this thread. LOL!

[sasteveo023]

I digress and believe you to once again be correct, BBQB. I think I've also heard that "Spin & Win" Danny Sullivan, the winner of the 1985 Indianapolis 500, in fact did drive a taxi cab as his primary source of income for a time prior to his sports car and Indy Car days. I believe Bennie Parson also drove a taxi cab for a living prior to his glory days driving them on a race track.

BBQB, I said in a previous post that a 6th was a good finish for a guy never having driven an Indy Car. But, once again, it's not quite as good as a predecessor or possibly two with similar circumstances and driving history. I truly believe that is credit where credit is due and I never have said that buschy is not an above average driver. I just refuse to get all carried away about it when it's been done better by someone else.

In reference to the winning driver at Monoco, I can't tell you who that was and he may well be the most talented driver to race on Memorial Day Weekend as you say. I would tend to believe you to probably be right 'cause you generally know the facts prior to posting, unlike some others posting in this thread. LOL!

Including you it seems.LOL

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[Barbecueboy]

I digress and believe you to once again be correct, BBQB. I think I've also heard that "Spin & Win" Danny Sullivan, the winner of the 1985 Indianapolis 500, in fact did drive a taxi cab as his primary source of income for a time prior to his sports car and Indy Car days. I believe Bennie Parson also drove a taxi cab for a living prior to his glory days driving them on a race track.

BBQB, I said in a previous post that a 6th was a good finish for a guy never having driven an Indy Car. But, once again, it's not quite as good as a predecessor or possibly two with similar circumstances and driving history. I truly believe that is credit where credit is due and I never have said that buschy is not an above average driver. I just refuse to get all carried away about it when it's been done better by someone else.

In reference to the winning driver at Monoco, I can't tell you who that was and he may well be the most talented driver to race on Memorial Day Weekend as you say. I would tend to believe you to probably be right 'cause you generally know the facts prior to posting, unlike some others posting in this thread. LOL!

My favorite nascar driver of all time is Bobby Allison, never was a huge fan of Donnie because of the baggage and hard living,but looking back now I would have to say that although Bobby won more grand national events , Donny was probably the best driver( overall ) of the two when it comes down to just driving about anything he sat in.

When Donnie ran indy, I was. Totally rooting for him because of the Allison affiliation.....

Again , not a bush fan( he or his brother) but for that crazy bastard to hang on for 500 miles at two and a quarter and not park it in the fence is pretty impressive........

I'm not sure , but am guessing when Donny ran indy( against MUCH better competition) he was probably averaging in the 170/180s............

Just trips me out when people call all of these guys today that run indy a bunch of taxi cab drivers that have no talent........ 225 mph is almost a third as fast as the speed of sound people.

For 500 contained miles on a 2 mile oval sitting on a gigantic methanol fuel tank....call it whatever you want, but talent has to be a contributing factor of survival.

[Streetstock Fan]

Including you it seems.LOL

Dead on.!!!!!

[CIRF]

My favorite nascar driver of all time is Bobby Allison, never was a huge fan of Donnie because of the baggage and hard living,but looking back now I would have to say that although Bobby won more grand national events , Donny was probably the best driver( overall ) of the two when it comes down to just driving about anything he sat in.

When Donnie ran indy, I was. Totally rooting for him because of the Allison affiliation.....

Again , not a bush fan( he or his brother) but for that crazy bastard to hang on for 500 miles at two and a quarter and not park it in the fence is pretty impressive........

I'm not sure , but am guessing when Donny ran indy( against MUCH better competition) he was probably averaging in the 170/180s............

Just trips me out when people call all of these guys today that run indy a bunch of taxi cab drivers that have no talent........ 225 mph is almost a third as fast as the speed of sound people.

For 500 contained miles on a 2 mile oval sitting on a gigantic methanol fuel tank....call it whatever you want, but talent has to be a contributing factor of survival.

Once again BBQ I have never said buschy doesn't have a wealth of talent and I won't rehash the point I've stressed several times. If you truly believe what buschy did this year is more impressive than what Donnie Allison and maybe a couple of others did coming from NASCAR for the first time to run Indy then we have differing opinions. I would only say this that Donnie's numbers at Indy support my point and to imply that what buschy did this year was more impressive requires a degree of speculation.

I looked it up and the Pole speed for the 1970 Indy 500 was 170.221 mph set by Al Unser Sr. Donnie qualified at 165.662 mph which awarded him the 23rd starting position which put him in the middle of the 8th row. That makes his accomplishment in his first 500 even more impressive.

BBQ, would you not agree that 165 to 170 qualifying speeds and race speeds probably around 160-162 mph (race average was 155 and change) might have been just as frightening as 225 is today. There were very little ground effects, no wings front or rear, slick tires were not yet allowed.

With today's chassis technology, tire technology and advancements in safety equipment and fire prevention both in the pits and on board the cars, I gotta' believe running 170 mph 44 years ago was no less frightening or difficult than 225 mph is today.

I've heard Foyt say that the earlier rear engine cars were demons and even scared him some. And we all know Foyt was fearless. Most of those guys from that era walk with a limp because of those cars. Rick Mears, who I consider the best that has ever drove the rear engine cars on ovals, has horrible scars and a distinct limp from the evil doings of a rear engine Indy Car.

BBQ, as usual it's fun to discuss some of these topics with you even when we disagree. You have always been knowledgeable, insightful and respectful with me and that counts for plenty!

[Barbecueboy]

Yes.....I would agree with you on all counts.

These guys that get on here and say how simple it is and un talented these current indy car guys are is just laughable.

[CIRF]

Yes.....I would agree with you on all counts.

These guys that get on here and say how simple it is and un talented these current indy car guys are is just laughable.

Amen, nuff said!

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