NASCAR Stupidity

[Barbecueboy]

Sure they can do whatever they want, Kid. And we as fans and consumers can do whatever we want, and about 50% of us who once followed NASCAR passionately have voted with our feet and our money.

I'm equally curious as to what the perceived benefit of Formula 1 qualifying is and who they are trying to appeal to. In regards to what difference it makes, I would refer you to Clint Bowyer.

There was a stretch of time that we went to darlington, rockingham,martinsville, Bristol and Atlanta every single year( about 10 in a row) , and would sometimes work it out to go to the 500 during those years........and paid pretty good ( reasonable)money to do it.

The only one of those I go to now is the darlington race, and 1/2 the time I do that we get tickets for nothing from our suppliers and it's close and even the nascar puppeteers can hardly screw that one up...........even though they tried.

So your absolutely right cirf..................

[Clayton_Wetter]

[kidrock]

That they can and when the TV deal dries up, NASCAR will be in a world of hurt.If you do not have a worthy product who will your consumers be ?

I never said everything they do is smart business move. I'm just saying it's their deal to run it as they seem fit.

And you are so right once the TV deal dries up they will be in serious trouble but, as long as they get a TV deal they will stay afloat. There will be enough fans along with the TV deal to make that happen.

[kidrock]

Sure they can do whatever they want, Kid. And we as fans and consumers can do whatever we want, and about 50% of us who once followed NASCAR passionately have voted with our feet and our money.

I'm equally curious as to what the perceived benefit of Formula 1 qualifying is and who they are trying to appeal to. In regards to what difference it makes, I would refer you to Clint Bowyer.

Yes and that sounds like keep watching and complaining. Yes if I was Clint and that happen to me I would be pissed as well but, I bet if he would have set on the pole he would have said that was great. Like Mud and I said it's probably not a good idea for the restrictor plate tracks. I would throw Bristol in on that as well but, the other tracks is it really that big of a deal?

Who cares who they are trying to appeal to. In my opinion it's better then the ole single car qualifying.

[CIRF]

Kid, I watched all the Daytona stuff 'cause we went down there for over 20 years in a row for Speedweeks starting in the early 1980's. Got our belly full of the ridiculous ticket prices and the lack of decent racing but our spirit is still in Daytona during the month of February. I did not watch the deal at Atlanta and will not make any attempt to watch NASCAR the rest of the season. The interest just isn't there anymore.

The question I have and no one seems to want to answer is why? What is the benefit, if any, to the F1 style time limit qualifying. What was the down side of the single car-two lap qualifying system as opposed to the F1 style? Is it change merely for the sake of change or was there a specific problem with the former qualifying process? If it's the latter then someone please point it out and be specific.

Kid, what's the problem with your PM? It won't go through.

[mudslinger47]

I'm just curious why does it have to stay the same way? Why can't they change it up? I don't know the reason why they changed it up but, really what makes the difference. NASCAR owns the sanction and can do whatever they want.

There is your answer CIRF...I couldn't have said it any better....its their dog and pony show, they can run it anyway the want...


I have been to a few truck races, they are awesome....

[kidrock]

Kid, I watched all the Daytona stuff 'cause we went down there for over 20 years in a row for Speedweeks starting in the early 1980's. Got our belly full of the ridiculous ticket prices and the lack of decent racing but our spirit is still in Daytona during the month of February. I did not watch the deal at Atlanta and will not make any attempt to watch NASCAR the rest of the season. The interest just isn't there anymore.

The question I have and no one seems to want to answer is why? What is the benefit, if any, to the F1 style time limit qualifying. What was the down side of the single car-two lap qualifying system as opposed to the F1 style? Is it change merely for the sake of change or was there a specific problem with the former qualifying process? If it's the latter then someone please point it out and be specific.

Kid, what's the problem with your PM? It won't go through.

The only ones that can answer why is NASCAR. I have no idea why they changed the format but, they did. I will say this if it doesn't work out and they get enough complaints from the drivers, owners and fans they will make another change.

I will have to check into the problem with my Private message.

[CIRF]

There is your answer CIRF...I couldn't have said it any better....its their dog and pony show, they can run it anyway the want...


I have been to a few truck races, they are awesome....

Hmmm, I'm shocked that you guys that live for the gimmicks and phony rules packages don't have a clear and concise answer to a plain straight forward question other than "that's what NASCAR wants to do". If ya'll like it so much you'd ought to express why it's such a great idea.

Your right, it's NASCAR's baby and they can throw it out with the bath water if they want to, just like half the people that followed NASCAR 10 OR 12 years ago can, and did, give up on seeing any decent racing. It's amazing to see an institution as large as NASCAR continue to implement changes that has lost them millions of fans and they keep making stupid changes that continues to drive people away in droves.

The only ones that can answer why is NASCAR. I have no idea why they changed the format but, they did. I will say this if it doesn't work out and they get enough complaints from the drivers, owners and fans they will make another change.

I will have to check into the problem with my Private message.

Kid, the chase and all the other silly gimmicks they've enacted that cut their fandom by more than half haven't been changed back to attempt to win back the interest some of the fans who have abandoned NASCAR. What makes you think they'll change this silly qualifying process. It really seems that NASCAR is bent on self destruction and the fans who keep them in business be d amned.

[vande07]

saw an article yesterday that TV revenues for tracks is now more than ticket revenues.

Due to this fact, the only thing that matters to the tracks is what is good for TV (or what is perceived to be good on TV). The paying fans in the stands no longer matter to the tracks or NASCAR..... So, support your local tracks instead.

[kidrock]

Hmmm, I'm shocked that you guys that live for the gimmicks and phony rules packages don't have a clear and concise answer to a plain straight forward question other than "that's what NASCAR wants to do". If ya'll like it so much you'd ought to express why it's such a great idea.

Your right, it's NASCAR's baby and they can throw it out with the bath water if they want to, just like half the people that followed NASCAR 10 OR 12 years ago can, and did, give up on seeing any decent racing. It's amazing to see an institution as large as NASCAR continue to implement changes that has lost them millions of fans and they keep making stupid changes that continues to drive people away in droves.


Kid, the chase and all the other silly gimmicks they've enacted that cut their fandom by more than half haven't been changed back to attempt to win back the interest some of the fans who have abandoned NASCAR. What makes you think they'll change this silly qualifying process. It really seems that NASCAR is bent on self destruction and the fans who keep them in business be d amned.

So, your going to tell us what you call gimmicks have soully been the reason for Nascars decline. So, your telling us that ticket prices,concession prices and hotel prices have not help contributed to the decline of fans going to races. So your going to tell us that the fair whether fans that were never race fans to begin with decided since they enacted these gimmicks they didn't want to go or watch the races no more. Really???

like I said I have no answer for why they made the changes they did but, I'm kind of curious as to what you think they should have done instead of implementing these so called gimmicks. If your business is declining should you just keeping doing what your doing or should you try and make some changes to see if you can turn your business around?

[stock car driver]

Ive never seen or heard about anyone talking about qualifying in the past....

CLEARLY press is press. it doesn't matter if people are talking good or bad about it they are tuning in to qualifying now to see what goes on

[CIRF]

So, your going to tell us what you call gimmicks have soully been the reason for Nascars decline. So, your telling us that ticket prices,concession prices and hotel prices have not help contributed to the decline of fans going to races. So your going to tell us that the fair whether fans that were never race fans to begin with decided since they enacted these gimmicks they didn't want to go or watch the races no more. Really???

like I said I have no answer for why they made the changes they did but, I'm kind of curious as to what you think they should have done instead of implementing these so called gimmicks. If your business is declining should you just keeping doing what your doing or should you try and make some changes to see if you can turn your business around?

If it's ticket prices, hotel prices and concession prices are what's keeping people away from races then common sense would dictate that TV ratings would go up due to all the folks who can no longer afford to go to the races would be watching on TV. But the flaw in that theory is that the TV ratings declined in about the same proportion and at exactly the same time frame as the decline in spectator participation.

And, most if not, all of this decline came after all the gimmicks were enacted which was around 2004.

Is it coincidence that the dramatic decline in NASCAR TV veiwership and spectators began when the gimmicks were thrown into the mix? It's impossible to tell for sure but me thinks maybe the decline might well have been the result of the gimmicks.

If the F1 style qualifying gimmick is going to be the what brings NASCAR back to it's pre-gimmick glory it had better kick in soon.

[CIRF]

Ive never seen or heard about anyone talking about qualifying in the past....

CLEARLY press is press. it doesn't matter if people are talking good or bad about it they are tuning in to qualifying now to see what goes on

scd, there is no indication the bad pub is doing anything to increase interest in qualifying. The reason the F1 style qualifying is being talked about is because some relatively high profile drivers, and some fans, have indicated as to how stupid it is. Not sure that's going to do anything to increase the number of spectators in the grandstands or TV ratings. It hasn't so far.

[drano]

If nascar ever loses the T.V. package it will be forced to make some hard decisions. They are going to have to become more fan friendly again, if it is not already to late.

[stock car driver]

scd, there is no indication the bad pub is doing anything to increase interest in qualifying. The reason the F1 style qualifying is being talked about is because some relatively high profile drivers, and some fans, have indicated as to how stupid it is. Not sure that's going to do anything to increase the number of spectators in the grandstands or TV ratings. It hasn't so far.

If you say so..

I know I DONT watch nascar (maybe 3 races last season) but Ive recorded qualifying and watched it this year, its better drama than the on track racing by far.. Ill be recording it again tonight.

So I know for a fact Nascar is +1 viewer.

As for fans in the stands unless you own stock in Nascar I don't see why anyone cares if there are fans or viewers. It is not the 43 best drivers anymore, anyone can rent a ride now. There are what 24 funded supposedly competitive teams?