Nascar does it again

[kidrock]

I think one thing that needs to be done is to get the areo sensitivity out of the cars. The cars are to areo dependent in my opinion. One other thing that might get people interested again could be going to a local dirt track style format. Heat races, B-Main and then a shorter A-Main, like maybe 100 laps. Not saying it will work but, it's at least worth a try. Lower the prices of the tickets, concession and the hotels in the area. 5.00 bottle of water is rediculous let alone all the other over priced items.

[zyoung25]

This group qualifying hasn't enticed me any to watch it, personally I'd rather watch one car out there giving it's all for a couple laps. As far as why they done it....doesn't make sense to me either. Dirt is understandable, cuz it gets the show done faster.

If I want to go watch wrecking/qualifying. I'll go down and watch a demo derby. The heats are considered qualifying for a feature, no its not oval racing, here lately it's been under the concept with a handful of cars being able to complete the whole deal and move on.

[Mittvok]

If you don't like NASCAR do yourself a favor and quit watching it.

That my friends is the problem. That's the attitude NASCAR took and look where they are now.

[Mittvok]

If I want to go watch wrecking/qualifying. I'll go down and watch a demo derby.

1000 times this.

[kidrock]

No, like barbecueboy said NASCAR started to cater to corporate America and forgot about their core fans. Plus when they made the cars so areo sensitive the racing started to suffer. It was who had the better engineering staff so, that's the reason for the decline. Then they started trying different things to try and bring back some excitement to the sport and it has not worked out. For me I was never one to watch qualifying no matter if it's nascar or my local dirt track so, I really don't care how they do it but, for me it's better then the single car format. Now you want to talk about boring that's it for me.

[CIRF]

Creepy-stalker, it's great to see you got to go to Bristol while your boy was still able to race. Hehehe!

You're mistaken about the shirt I still have, it says 7 time cup champion , what does your Martin shirt say? is it peace on earth and good will towards man, was his number 6 or was it 7 , or was that the number of times he couldn't handle the pressure and finished 2'nd to the 3 goodby.

Never had a Martin shirt but I've got a couple of 7 time champion shirts. They commemorate the first and legitimate 7 time champion. Not the johnny come lately illegitimate 7 time champion that required NASCAR to be deeply in his pocket in order to win at least a couple of those 7. Was ironhead ever voted most popular driver? Why yes he was, but only after he was racing on the big superspeedway in the sky and after a classy move by Bill Elliott who withdrew from the voting in 2001.

I also have a special place for my Bobby Labonte 2000 Winston Cup Championship shirt. That one is really special since Bobby won the Cup in spite of NASCAR's best efforts to give it to ol' ironhead as they had done 10 years earlier. That championship thankfully stymied a lot of chirping from those afflicted with acute ironheaditis.

Oh the sorrow of ironheaditis. It's not fatal and thankfully no longer contagious! LOL!!


Footnote:
Full credit goes to BBQB for the detection, identification and naming of ironheaditis.

[Mittvok]

I'm a Dale Sr. fan through and through. I also suffer from Ironheaditis. 7 Championships are 7 Championships and if we're talking about Petty a lot can be said about the type of cars that were driven back then. The King had more than enough help from a lack of rules and a superior car during some of his wins. If you discredit Sr. there are also ways to discredit some of Pettys wins. To me they both were great drivers and I wish I was a bit older when they were in their heyday. Jimmy will get 8 though, so...

[_LatemodelFan_]

Guess I'm guilty of having Ironheaditis also, First dirt track I ever went to as a kid I watched a young Earnhardt wrench on his Dad's car. Watched Ralph win on dirt at Metrolina Speedway and watched a young Dale win several races a few years later at the same track after Ralph passed away and they had paved the place. I was a Dale Earnhardt fan before he jumped on the NASCAR train. I'm pretty sure his 7 Championships are Legit ( Dale could drive a Volkswagon to victory lane if thats all he had )He was a wheelman for sure. Some liked him, some hated him.Not to change the subject but how did this thread go from the topic of Nascar does it again ( screws up qualifying at Atlanta ) to bashing people for who they pull or pulled for ?I been away from 4m for a couple of years but man it sure seems alot different around here than it used to be ( lol )

[drano]

This is the tailgate section anything can go on.

[JokerPrime]

This is the tailgate section anything can go on.

Green rep if I could. - The JOKER!!

[CIRF]

I'm a Dale Sr. fan through and through. I also suffer from Ironheaditis. 7 Championships are 7 Championships and if we're talking about Petty a lot can be said about the type of cars that were driven back then. The King had more than enough help from a lack of rules and a superior car during some of his wins. If you discredit Sr. there are also ways to discredit some of Pettys wins. To me they both were great drivers and I wish I was a bit older when they were in their heyday. Jimmy will get 8 though, so...

Mit, the big difference between The King and ironhead is that The King didn't have NASCAR in his pocket. In fact the Petty's locked horns with NASCAR on more than one occasion.

The deal at Charlotte and Martinsville in 1990 that blatantly and deliberately cost Martin the championship, at Rockingham in '98 or '99, even the deal at Bristol in '99 didn't pass the smell test since precedent had been established at Sears point with the incident involving Ricky Rudd and Davey Allison. The deal at Daytona after the rollover on the backstretch. Even the 1998 Daytona 500 win smelled a bit fishy according to Ed Hinton's book on Daytona. There is much more but you get the picture and I post too long anyway.

It's documented common knowledge that ironhead kept company with Bill France Jr. on a regular basis, took him deep sea fishing in the Bahama's among many, many other things that curried favor with France Jr. The King never did any of that kind of stuff.

It's impossible to know just how good ol' ironhead really was since there was so much leeway given by NASCAR in his favor that was never extended to other drivers.

My beef is/was with NASCAR not ironhead.

[Barbecueboy]

Mit, the big difference between The King and ironhead is that The King didn't have NASCAR in his pocket. In fact the Petty's locked horns with NASCAR on more than one occasion.

The deal at Charlotte and Martinsville in 1990 that blatantly and deliberately cost Martin the championship, at Rockingham in '98 or '99, even the deal at Bristol in '99 didn't pass the smell test since precedent had been established at Sears point with the incident involving Ricky Rudd and Davey Allison. The deal at Daytona after the rollover on the backstretch. Even the 1998 Daytona 500 win smelled a bit fishy according to Ed Hinton's book on Daytona. There is much more but you get the picture and I post too long anyway.

It's documented common knowledge that ironhead kept company with Bill France Jr. on a regular basis, took him deep sea fishing in the Bahama's among many, many other things that curried favor with France Jr. The King never did any of that kind of stuff.

It's impossible to know just how good ol' ironhead really was since there was so much leeway given by NASCAR in his favor that was never extended to other drivers.

My beef is/was with NASCAR not ironhead.

Everybody else can quit trying...........this is the post of the year on this subject!!!!

By a landslide.

I feel exactly the same way.........

[retired racer]

Since you seem to have a lot of knowledge about nascar would you explain what took place during the 1984 firecracker race at daytona when the president of our great country happened to be on hand to witness the king Richards last victory,and his illegal engine which was also his last win, coincidence ? hard to believe isn't it? Barbequeboy how far is your nose up CIRF a$$ anyway?

[Barbecueboy]

Since you seem to have a lot of knowledge about nascar would you explain what took place during the 1984 firecracker race at daytona when the president of our great country happened to be on hand to witness the king Richards last victory,and his illegal engine which was also his last win, coincidence ? hard to believe isn't it? Barbequeboy how far is your nose up CIRF a$$ anyway?

Roughly 1/99th the distance that your head is up your own I guess????


Sounds like you could have used some sort of HANS device too, those wall impacts have really clouded your comprehension process, huh?

And yes, I know it was a cheap shot................just thought I would lob one back over!!

[drano]

Since you seem to have a lot of knowledge about nascar would you explain what took place during the 1984 firecracker race at daytona when the president of our great country happened to be on hand to witness the king Richards last victory,and his illegal engine which was also his last win, coincidence ? hard to believe isn't it? Barbequeboy how far is your nose up CIRF a$$ anyway?

Best I remember is Petty finished first don't recall an illegal engine in that race.