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  • 25drtrkr
    Senior Member
    • May 2015
    • 856

    #46
    Originally posted by Clayton_Wetter View Post
    I rest my case, for what I stated above. The Democrat party IS the Communist party, and you see their propaganda tactics repeated by Democrat followers.
    Crickets.....that's all I hear CW. That's the answer I always get. Deep down, EVERYONE knows that is wrong!

    Regardless of what I think, what does an Almighty God think, when he sees nearly 70 MILLION aborted babies from America alone! Americans wonder why we have so many problems, HELLO, you've allowed some great problem solvers to be murdered before their birth!
    Lions don't worry about the opinions of sheep.

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    • ss12
      Senior Member
      • May 2007
      • 3731

      #47
      "ss12.....the Republican party is responsible for passing laws that make it more difficult for women of certain age to get abortions" 25drtrkr abortions are all right as long women meets the republicans age limits? Again just a talking point during elections cycle.

      "if Donald trump gets elected, and still has a Republican majority in Congress, abortions will be outlawed" 25drtrkr what happen between 2000 - 2006 when the republicans controlled everything and Ron Paul introduced abortion bill every year and the republicans wouldn't bring it up for a vote? If it does get passed what will the republicans talking point be in 2020? Let me guess? We need a bigger military so we can kill more!
      Last edited by ss12; 09-18-2015, 06:57 AM.
      Haters don't really hate you, in fact they hate themselves because you are a reflection of what they wish to be.

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      • mud duck
        Senior Member
        • Sep 2007
        • 674

        #48
        Originally posted by 25drtrkr View Post
        That's the problem, MUD! You want us to compromise our morals and standards, when in fact they are Gods morals and standards. Our Bible tells us to 'obey God not man".

        ss12.....the Republican party is responsible for passing laws that make it more difficult for women of certain age to get abortions. If the Democrats had their way, they would allow any female to abort their baby at any stage before birth.You can rest assured, if Donald trump gets elected, and still has a Republican majority in Congress, abortions will be outlawed.
        Where did I state morals or standards?? When I talk politics, I strictly think policy in terms of economics, foreign affairs, military, budgets, spending, etc. I never bring religion into politics. The two should never be mixed together. In my book, religion is something private and sacred to each person/family. I don't need a politician preaching religion to me!!

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        • t.nie
          Senior Member
          • Aug 2008
          • 1146

          #49
          Originally posted by 25drtrkr View Post
          Just answer my one question, I pose for all Democratic Party supporters. Why do you support a party that wholeheartedly supports the MURDERING of unborn babies? You claim you believe the what the Bible teaches. King David says in Psalms that God spoke to him in his mothers womb. So how can you defend your party stating life begins at birth. Even our own laws will convict you of murder if you kill a baby in its mothers womb. There is no middle ground here. Don't say conservatives pick and choose what sin matters most, because certain sins have far more consequences than others. The Ten Commandments are written in an order for us to abide by. Do you think that's by luck? Your party believes in that every person has a right to do whatever they feel like. if you're a Bible believer then you cant believe in that mantra.

          I'll close with this: The Bible clearly states there is two masters in this world, God and Satan. God says you can only serve ONE! So " choose this day, whom you shall serve"!
          Where in my post did you get the idea that I am some kind of Democrat supporter? Just because someone sees the ridiculousness/hatred/malice spewed on the so called "Christian Conservatives Channel (Fox News)" doesn't make one a wholehearted supporter of abortion or the Democrats. Just because I see the hate and malice there doesn't mean I support all the things they rant and rave against. I just think their tactics are all wrong and don't reflect my own Christian values.

          For the record, I oppose abortion, I say defund Planned Parenthood unless they are willing to terminate all abortion services and only provide the other services that are beneficial. I oppose gay marriage (because to me it's not marriage but another parody of the real thing) but I have no problem with homosexuals, I just believe that isn't how God intended for us to be and God's way is the better way.

          In all ways I am totally in line with the ideology of Christianity. You won't find anything that fundamentally I disagree with on these big issues.

          What I disagree with, however, is the way the right wing has taken over the moniker of "Christian" and turned it into a mockery of all thing Christian. When Christ was asked what was the greatest commandment, he said love God first and foremost and love OTHERS as YOURSELF.

          So I don't get who so many people can be latching onto so much hatred and malice in our government, in our politics, plastered all over our news channels, and then go sit in a pew on Sunday morning and think doing their little Christian "penance" for an hour or two makes them righteous so they can then head out into the world for another week of bash, trash, hate and fear monger and lap up even more of what the world has to offer to get them all fired again about what they hate.

          God said "Love one another" and "Pray for those that persecute you." Well, last I looked, I wasn't seeing much praying in government nor was I watching a 24 hour a day "Love Fest for your Enemies" on Fox News. Or on ANY OTHER CABLE NEWS CHANNEL for that matter.

          So, you post this question to me, "choose this day whom you shall serve." If you are genuinely choosing to serve God, it's time to turn off the tv, drop out of the political arguments, and start focusing on what is good and what good you can do in the world instead of buying into what Satan is selling you across the board in politics and on cable TV news from BOTH SIDES. And as hard as it is, start praying for all those people out there who really make you mad with their beliefs. For whatever it's worth, the life of a Christian is supposed to be showing people's Gods' love, not taking it upon yourself to be His wrath.

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          • t.nie
            Senior Member
            • Aug 2008
            • 1146

            #50
            Originally posted by STRONGERTHANDIRT View Post
            The reason you think left leaning channels are more respectful is because they only have people on who agree with their agenda. And if you think that goof, Chris Matthews, is unbiased and presents opposing points of view objectively, I've got a ski chalet in Miami Beach for sale cheap.
            MSNBC does have people on from the other side of the argument. All the time. So that is simply not true. Fox also has people on from the opposing point of view. All the time.

            The difference I was pointing out is not that either is less biased. Quite the contrary. Both are extremely biased in their ideology, and in direct opposition to each other.

            But, having watched Matthews, Maddow, Kornacki, Harris Perry, et all and contrasted that with Hannity, O'Reilly, et al, the difference I see is not that any of them are less biased than the other. They make a living being biased. If they were middle of the road, they wouldn't be on TV. Middle of the road opinions don't attract viewers and aren't money makers for their channels. And ultimately, that's all any of them care about from the Channel bosses to the camera people, is there a dollar to be made in this? And if so, how do we make the most dollars?

            However, Rachel Maddow or Chris Matthews do not sit there with 2 or 3 other people with the same point of view and ONE person from the other side of an argument and take turns shouting them down, bashing them for their opinion, putting them down, name calling etc.

            What I have generally seen on MSNBC is one on one interviews, disagreements backed up with facts (which aren't always being presented in an unbiased way, no doubt) and then civil discourse that looks like two adults having a discussion and disagreeing. Sometimes passionately, but never rising to the level of the host and his three best bully friends badgering and belittling the "guest."

            Like I said earlier, I don't find any Cable News worth watching these days, my priorities are way different than they used to be. And I try to be nicer about it too, although its not always easy. But still it remains that about 1% of our nation latch onto Fox and think it's all it purports to be, and as a Christian I find it alarming that so many other Christians seem to be getting hoodwinked by all the nonsense there too. And no, I have never seen anything on any Cable News Channel that makes me think "There is a person of God right there" because NONE of the hosts and the majority of the guests do not say anything or live in any way that would make me think they are.
            Last edited by t.nie; 09-18-2015, 10:36 AM.

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            • 25drtrkr
              Senior Member
              • May 2015
              • 856

              #51
              Originally posted by t.nie View Post
              Where in my post did you get the idea that I am some kind of Democrat supporter? Just because someone sees the ridiculousness/hatred/malice spewed on the so called "Christian Conservatives Channel (Fox News)" doesn't make one a wholehearted supporter of abortion or the Democrats. Just because I see the hate and malice there doesn't mean I support all the things they rant and rave against. I just think their tactics are all wrong and don't reflect my own Christian values.

              For the record, I oppose abortion, I say defund Planned Parenthood unless they are willing to terminate all abortion services and only provide the other services that are beneficial. I oppose gay marriage (because to me it's not marriage but another parody of the real thing) but I have no problem with homosexuals, I just believe that isn't how God intended for us to be and God's way is the better way.

              In all ways I am totally in line with the ideology of Christianity. You won't find anything that fundamentally I disagree with on these big issues.

              What I disagree with, however, is the way the right wing has taken over the moniker of "Christian" and turned it into a mockery of all thing Christian. When Christ was asked what was the greatest commandment, he said love God first and foremost and love OTHERS as YOURSELF.

              So I don't get who so many people can be latching onto so much hatred and malice in our government, in our politics, plastered all over our news channels, and then go sit in a pew on Sunday morning and think doing their little Christian "penance" for an hour or two makes them righteous so they can then head out into the world for another week of bash, trash, hate and fear monger and lap up even more of what the world has to offer to get them all fired again about what they hate.

              God said "Love one another" and "Pray for those that persecute you." Well, last I looked, I wasn't seeing much praying in government nor was I watching a 24 hour a day "Love Fest for your Enemies" on Fox News. Or on ANY OTHER CABLE NEWS CHANNEL for that matter.

              So, you post this question to me, "choose this day whom you shall serve." If you are genuinely choosing to serve God, it's time to turn off the tv, drop out of the political arguments, and start focusing on what is good and what good you can do in the world instead of buying into what Satan is selling you across the board in politics and on cable TV news from BOTH SIDES. And as hard as it is, start praying for all those people out there who really make you mad with their beliefs. For whatever it's worth, the life of a Christian is supposed to be showing people's Gods' love, not taking it upon yourself to be His wrath.
              The definition of all this "hate" is called righteous anger. I think we both can agree, Conservatives/Christians are sick and tired of a liberal govt force its lack of morals and discipline down our throats. It is very hard to hate the sin and not the sinner as we are instructed. Our nation was not founded on these secular ideals and we have simply had enough! The leftist media has sold the koolaid to the general population and they have drunk it! Now, its finally backfiring, as most are seeing, these are not the "changes", they voted for! Excuse me for saying, "we told you so"!

              You and I both know you cant legislate morality, but hopefully with a Conservative President and Congress, we can change some horrible, disgusting laws that were passed by Liberal Democrats. America is in the same shape as Sodom and Gommora and we know how that turned out! Hopefully, the right CHANGES will get America back on course!
              Lions don't worry about the opinions of sheep.

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              • t.nie
                Senior Member
                • Aug 2008
                • 1146

                #52
                Trouble is I am not really seeing any "righteous anger" on cable TV news or over in the nation's capitol. All I see is people bullying and belittling those they disagree with, then running off to pander to the monied folks to ensure more campaign donations and securing their own futures.

                Even Christ was willing to debate without resorting to using his own power and authority to stomp on the people who were challenging him. And when he was hung on a cross for speaking the truth, he asked his Father for their forgiveness because they just didn't know what they were doing.

                I would be entirely amazed and completely dumbfounded if any of our leadership in this nation, or on the right particularly, ever looked upon those they disagreed with and simply said "I forgive you because I can see you really don't understand the depth and breadth of the sin you are committing." And then go on to pray for their forgiveness in private and really mean it.

                I have no idea what is in the hearts and minds of other people, I just know that this whole thing just looks like a great big distraction from what is really important. I can't fix Washington, but I can try to do my best today to do what God would have me do. And that's all I am really responsible for. Other people can answer for themselves to God when the time comes; they won't be answering to me.

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                • AnonymousNate
                  Banned
                  • Oct 2014
                  • 571

                  #53
                  Christ this ''god'' that.... hmm smh... (as George Carlin would say) the world really does believe in an invisible man living in the sky...... supposed to be all a bout love and truth and chit...but if you don't believe in him nor follow him/put your faith in him he has a very very very special place for you and other's like you to burn for all eternity ...yup cause that right there is something to believe in... I do apologize for all you faithful followers and what not....''but truth be told no im not sorry not even close just keeping it 100/being me my self and i''.........................

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                  • AnonymousNate
                    Banned
                    • Oct 2014
                    • 571

                    #54
                    as Obama has said.... ''America no longer see's its self as a Christian nation''..............why cause its the ''satan'' himself running America.... ''America is satans playground''........................

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                    • 25drtrkr
                      Senior Member
                      • May 2015
                      • 856

                      #55
                      Originally posted by AnonymousNate View Post
                      Christ this ''god'' that.... hmm smh... (as George Carlin would say) the world really does believe in an invisible man living in the sky...... supposed to be all a bout love and truth and chit...but if you don't believe in him nor follow him/put your faith in him he has a very very very special place for you and other's like you to burn for all eternity ...yup cause that right there is something to believe in... I do apologize for all you faithful followers and what not....''but truth be told no im not sorry not even close just keeping it 100/being me my self and i''.........................
                      Think about this.....you have a 50/50 chance that you could be wrong! That's not good odds at all. This is one lottery you don't want to play!
                      Lions don't worry about the opinions of sheep.

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                      • AnonymousNate
                        Banned
                        • Oct 2014
                        • 571

                        #56
                        il take that 50/50 roll the dice and say that LIFE is all NATURAL!! just my opinion though!!!

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                        • Clayton_Wetter
                          Banned
                          • May 2007
                          • 16671

                          #57
                          You could miss out on eternal life unnecessarily.

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                          • kidrock
                            Senior Member
                            • May 2007
                            • 16407

                            #58
                            Originally posted by t.nie View Post
                            Where in my post did you get the idea that I am some kind of Democrat supporter? Just because someone sees the ridiculousness/hatred/malice spewed on the so called "Christian Conservatives Channel (Fox News)" doesn't make one a wholehearted supporter of abortion or the Democrats. Just because I see the hate and malice there doesn't mean I support all the things they rant and rave against. I just think their tactics are all wrong and don't reflect my own Christian values.

                            For the record, I oppose abortion, I say defund Planned Parenthood unless they are willing to terminate all abortion services and only provide the other services that are beneficial. I oppose gay marriage (because to me it's not marriage but another parody of the real thing) but I have no problem with homosexuals, I just believe that isn't how God intended for us to be and God's way is the better way.

                            In all ways I am totally in line with the ideology of Christianity. You won't find anything that fundamentally I disagree with on these big issues.

                            What I disagree with, however, is the way the right wing has taken over the moniker of "Christian" and turned it into a mockery of all thing Christian. When Christ was asked what was the greatest commandment, he said love God first and foremost and love OTHERS as YOURSELF.

                            So I don't get who so many people can be latching onto so much hatred and malice in our government, in our politics, plastered all over our news channels, and then go sit in a pew on Sunday morning and think doing their little Christian "penance" for an hour or two makes them righteous so they can then head out into the world for another week of bash, trash, hate and fear monger and lap up even more of what the world has to offer to get them all fired again about what they hate.

                            God said "Love one another" and "Pray for those that persecute you." Well, last I looked, I wasn't seeing much praying in government nor was I watching a 24 hour a day "Love Fest for your Enemies" on Fox News. Or on ANY OTHER CABLE NEWS CHANNEL for that matter.

                            So, you post this question to me, "choose this day whom you shall serve." If you are genuinely choosing to serve God, it's time to turn off the tv, drop out of the political arguments, and start focusing on what is good and what good you can do in the world instead of buying into what Satan is selling you across the board in politics and on cable TV news from BOTH SIDES. And as hard as it is, start praying for all those people out there who really make you mad with their beliefs. For whatever it's worth, the life of a Christian is supposed to be showing people's Gods' love, not taking it upon yourself to be His wrath.
                            So what your saying is they are a bunch of hypocrites and you sir would be right. That's exactly what they are.

                            They go out and spew hatred all week and then think because they go yo church on Sundsy they are better then others. WRONG.

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                            • 25drtrkr
                              Senior Member
                              • May 2015
                              • 856

                              #59
                              Please.....some Liberal/Anti- Christian, explain to me, why you think Christians are supposed to be PERFECT? Nowhere has that ever been said or written. We put our pants on just like you! A Christian recognizes he is not perfect and accepts Jesus's dying on the cross for the payment of his sin debt. Nothing more, nothing less! Should we live more morally than the world...Absolutely!, but were still human, just like you.What you are seeing is Christians sick and tired of seeing their rights trampled on by this most un-God loving administration. We're simply saying, we've had enough! Its called righteous anger and everyone should have some of that at this particular time in our Nation!
                              Last edited by 25drtrkr; 09-20-2015, 05:10 PM.
                              Lions don't worry about the opinions of sheep.

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                              • Clayton_Wetter
                                Banned
                                • May 2007
                                • 16671

                                #60
                                Originally posted by mud duck View Post
                                i assume you think Hannity is a fair and balanced host?? Fox News and the liberal leaning network such as MSNBC are no different!! They both have agendas and are dividing this country just like are politicians!! Until both sides learn to come towards the middle and govern things will never change!! Neither side can have everything!! Compromise for the better of the country!!! You will not see that word used much on Fox or MSNBC!!
                                How does Conservatism, freedom, and patriotism coincide with Communism. Compromising left is not the answer. One or the other must be destroyed. They simply cannot coexist.

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