Kyle Busch Is Right Where We Want Him To Be

[Highside Hustler25]

So did you both complain when they did it for Stewart? Ole Kyle lived by the rules given to him, he did make top thirty in points, correct? He did have a win, correct? In fact four wins I believe.. was it not NASCAR's partial fault for his injuries for not having the safer walls in place, as they should have at a extremely high speed joint like Daytona... Did the team not race in every event through out the year? Did the car not compete as the #18 and the team show up and spend the money to compete? Did not he team, car owner and crew show up each and every event ready to race, including Daytona 500, one day after the accident? I thing they have more then complied for Kyle to run.... but go ahead and snivel, cause once again, no one will listen, and Kyle will still be there... What you should be doing is marveling at his talent, and team but alas, that would be positive and we certainly couldn't have that, now could we....

I'm with ya Mud.
Only 3 guys ( Logano, Kenseth and JJ ) had more wins than Kyle and he accomplished that with 11 less attempts. He definitely deserves to be there.

I'd like to see Gordon go out on top but would equally enjoy seeing Martin Truex take home the Championship. Especially after what happened in his last year with MWR.

[CIRF]

I've asked this question before but it bears asking again. To you gimmick lovers who believe missing 30% of the season is no big deal I would ask, how many can you miss before that renders a driver ineligible. Where is it that the line needs to be drawn?

Is it 15 races? 20? 25?

Obviously 30% easily passes your smell test to call bull$hit then how many races is it. I am genuinely interested in that number. And don't give us this BS about how every situation is different and he had a win. That doesn't enter into the equation for several reasons. The top 30 in points criteria is also meaningless since the teams that are 31 on down aren't competitive in the first place and obviously are easily overtaken. There has to be a line of demarcation that you gimmick boys are comfortable with regardless of circumstances.

Should a guy be eligible to win a championship without running one race prior to this silly assed chase?

As A ron said, 11 races is already absurd, so why not set the bar at 20 races missed just as long as they get that all important "win"? The whole deal is already a laughing stock, why not go all the way?

Another pertinent question is if pee wee is given the championship (he cannot legitimately "win" it at this point) should he have an asterisk placed by his name? Or maybe he should get 30% less championship money and those dollars are split amongst the rest of the teams? All of the above?

I really hope pee wee wins this sham. NASCAR will be even more irrelevant and comical than it already is. Another few hundred thousand fans losing interest won't make much difference at this point, anyway!

GO PEE WEE JR.!!

[oldfart50]

Is Kyle Larson in the chase?

[CIRF]

Is Kyle Larson in the chase?

Are you delusional or just stupid?

[oldfart50]

Name calling huh? Impressive IQ you have there. It was a simple question.

[A ron]

This is a post from another forum that offered a better perspective of what I've been trying to say about this dumb system and being possible for someone to win the first 35 races, run second at Homestead and lose:............................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. ................................ "If we had today's NASCAR points system in place in 1967. Despite having the most dominating season in NASCAR history and winning 27 races including a record 10 in a row. Richard Petty would not have been the 1967 Cup Champion. By winning the last two races of the season Bobby Allison would have won the Chase title."

[Highside Hustler25]

Name calling huh? Impressive IQ you have there. It was a simple question.

It's what he does best. You'll get used to it. Everyone else has

[CIRF]

Name calling huh? Impressive IQ you have there. It was a simple question.

I also asked a simple question and you refuse to answer and at the same time question my IQ. Does anyone see the irony in that?! The difference is my question is an honest inquiry. Now, which is it?

And, you still haven't come up with the drivers name. Hehehehe!

It's what he does best. You'll get used to it. Everyone else has

If the shoe fits then dry your eyes and wear it, gimmick boy.

This is a post from another forum that offered a better perspective of what I've been trying to say about this dumb system and being possible for someone to win the first 35 races, run second at Homestead and lose:............................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. ................................ "If we had today's NASCAR points system in place in 1967. Despite having the most dominating season in NASCAR history and winning 27 races including a record 10 in a row. Richard Petty would not have been the 1967 Cup Champion. By winning the last two races of the season Bobby Allison would have won the Chase title."

A ron sums it up again, and very well, I might add.

[oldfart50]

It is not 1967 and the rules today are not the same. Kyle 100% deserves to have a chance to win the championship based on the current rules.

[A ron]

So oldfart, next year you would be okay with Kyle winning from Daytona to Phoenix, running 2nd at Homestead and losing to someone who's pretty much run 15th all year? That just seems completely unheard of for a title system to allow that whether we will ever see it or not. Playoffs are for sports that play on the same field, with the same rules, against a different and single team every week. Nascar has a different playing field(track), a new set of rules every week, and every single team plays in the same game. If you want it like basketball here's an idea: Add a 44th car and have all the cars race two at a time for 10 lap races each week. At the end of first 32 races, the top 16 with the most wins move on, the rest stay home. Then run the sweet 16 bracket til the end. Sounds silly but it makes more sense than having playoffs where the people eliminated keep playing.

[CIRF]

It is not 1967 and the rules today are not the same. Kyle 100% deserves to have a chance to win the championship based on the current rules.

Absolutely. 1967 rules do not apply now and pee wee has qualified to be part of the gimmick based on current rules.

Problem is the current rules have been made up as time goes along and as NASCAR is forced to placate this sponsor or that sponsor or this driver or that driver or this group of fans or that group of fans. There really are no rules since NASCAR repeatedly change them to suit themselves or a special interest group or entity. The rules change from hour to hour.

The whole thing has turned into a sham and despite that there are still people that somehow rationalize and believe it's all good, all on the up and up and somehow is worth spending their time and money on.

I say this with all sincerity, it saddens me to watch the systematic dismantling of a once great and proud racing series. What does a Cup championship really mean if it is cheapened by the frequent changing of rules to allow for drivers and teams that don't even compete in all the events to win a once coveted championship?

The answer is................it means little or nothing compared to 2003 and before.

[Clayton_Wetter]

This is a post from another forum that offered a better perspective of what I've been trying to say about this dumb system and being possible for someone to win the first 35 races, run second at Homestead and lose:............................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. ................................ "If we had today's NASCAR points system in place in 1967. Despite having the most dominating season in NASCAR history and winning 27 races including a record 10 in a row. Richard Petty would not have been the 1967 Cup Champion. By winning the last two races of the season Bobby Allison would have won the Chase title."

And that comparison sums up just how rediculous THE CHASE really is.

[A ron]

Stock car, they didn't have to run all the races up until 2003 either. However, there were no freebies. Let's back up to 2001: Kevin Harvick only ran 35 races and finished top 10 in points, if I remember correctly. I don't care how many races they run, as long as whoever has the most points for the year wins. Otherwise, they might as well just have a Champion for each quarter of the year haha............... Seriously, Since the Chase era, how many times has the Champion been the car to beat all year long and not just the last 10? I'm gonna say 2 maybe 3 tops. Each one of those unique races play a part (or should) in what we call Nascar. When someone who runs mediocre at 2/3 of races, and great at 1/3 of the races, can beat someone who runs great at 2/3 of the races and runs mediocre 1/3, something is wrong.

[CIRF]

27 races when they ran how many? And how many cars even ran them all? Back in the day they didn't have to run all the races..

Who's Richard Petty?

The 1967 NASCAR Grand National Season consisted of 48 races. There were 12 different winners that season. That kinda' blows the argument that only 4 or 5 guys drove cars capable of winning races. A bogus argument from it's very beginning.

The points paying races included the twin 100 mile qualifying races for the Daytona 500 so that gets it down to 46 races if you're comparing it to the Cup Schedule since 1972. That is just 10 more than this season. Not a tremendous difference in events.

The winners in 1967 were:

Richard Petty
Bobby Allison
Buddy Baker
Jim Paschal
D!ck Hutcherson
Lee Roy Yarbrough
Cale Yarborough
Mario Andretti
Darel Dieringer
David Pearson
Parnelli Jones
Buddy Baker

I can't find information on how many drivers ran a full Grand National schedule in '67 but it's a safe bet if you didn't run them all you were NOT going to be able to win the championship, and you dam sure couldn't have had a chance in he!! to win it if you didn't compete in 11 races!!

Richard won almost as many races in a row in 1967 as pee wee jr. missed this year. LOL!

Who's Richard Petty you ask? He's won almost twice as many races as anyone has ever won in NASCAR Cup/Grand National competition. He's won more championships that anyone and is universally considered one of the 2 or 3 best drivers to ever drive a NASCAR stock car. He's also a prime example of class and dignity and has given his whole life, to stock car racing. That's who Richard Petty is.

[oldfart50]

So oldfart, next year you would be okay with Kyle winning from Daytona to Phoenix, running 2nd at Homestead and losing to someone who's pretty much run 15th all year? That just seems completely unheard of for a title system to allow that whether we will ever see it or not. Playoffs are for sports that play on the same field, with the same rules, against a different and single team every week. Nascar has a different playing field(track), a new set of rules every week, and every single team plays in the same game. If you want it like basketball here's an idea: Add a 44th car and have all the cars race two at a time for 10 lap races each week. At the end of first 32 races, the top 16 with the most wins move on, the rest stay home. Then run the sweet 16 bracket til the end. Sounds silly but it makes more sense than having playoffs where the people eliminated keep playing.

I am OK with whatever they do. I have no vested interest in any of it anymore and its been a joke for a very long time. NASCAR is dying a slow painful death and it is all self inflected. I use to find it funny but now I just find it very sad. But the fact stands that Kyle deserves to have a chance to win the championship based on the current rules.