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[TS FAN]

The gimmick of the chase follows other sports. It is about ratings, and i understand it. It is like baseball letting a .500 team into post season and having them get hot and win. Football, and their wild card. All sports are craving an audience, and the old year long points race was not exciting enough. More often than not, there was no suspense at season's end. What system I favor doesn't matter, but I think that Kyle Busch is a great story of a comeback against great odds. Everyone connected with Nascar is rightfully giving him congrats on a job well done.

[oldfart50]

As soon as you accept it is a BAD TV show the better off you will feel about it. It is no longer about racing. It has always been crooked but it use to still be racing and you just had to beat NASCAR besides everyone else. The first nail in the coffin was started in 2003 when every make of car had to run a Ford roof. That was the start of the decline though people didn't see it at the time. Everyone loved the "Good Ole Boy" sport because they could relate. Indy car has always struggled because people didnt relate and it has always been too technical. NASCAR has become Indy Car set in a fixed Circus environment. You think its bad now, just wait until they franchise it and there are only 11 owners... Its coming very soon

[Highside Hustler25]

Every Nascar media outlet I have seen, has offer congrats to KB, said it was quite a comeback story, and well deserved. the only individual that seems to be crying about it, is the subject of this thread. Says he is the only one that knows Nascar, apparently. If you disagree with him, you get a childish like response. He cannot help himself. Also, I'm coming to doubt that the guy even has a job. It seems like all he does is post all over this board, and declares himself the resident expert. Now just watch the childish response I get back for this post. LOL

Trash Stewart, make some comment about power 20, make some comment about Chip G. Make some comment about trashing JG. That should about cover it/ yuk yuk
Oh yes, and my feelings are hurt. Forgot that one

Don't forget the trademark, 3rd grade girls, hehehehehe signature.

[25drtrkr]

I WISH, been a big 24 fan for 20 yrs now! I'm gonna try to stick with Chase and the 24 team. I was a big Bill Elliott fan, before Gordon came along. I'm a die hard Chevy fan even though Bill ran Fords...go figure! Theres not many Chevy drivers that I really like.

[25drtrkr]

He won it fair and square based on the current rules. No asterisk at all as everyone had the same opportunity.

Refresh my memeory.....Didn't Kyle have to get a "special exemption" from Nascar to qualify for the Chase? He won it according to their rules but it doesn't sit well with us traditionalists!

[drano]

I have to agree with you there. How many races have we seen where everybody absolutely had to be drafting to keep up only to find out that there was one particular car that could pull right out of line and drive away as if had about 300 more horses than everyone else.

Do you remember the 9 car making up 2 laps under green at Talladega and winning now that was pulling out of line with a little extra poney's and before this goofey I mean luckey dog thing.

[Raceready]

Do you remember the 9 car making up 2 laps under green at Talladega and winning now that was pulling out of line with a little extra poney's and before this goofey I mean luckey dog thing.

I remember that well. It was considered the greatest race that was ever run at the time. It was in a time when hot dog wrapper debris yellows weren't thrown in order to keep favorites from going a lap down. The cars were as fast as the teams could make them. Not the glorified equalized iroc type cars of today where overlooking a few thousands of an inch here or there with a rule could manipulate a win for those are selected to have a good run. The small town Elliott family team worked the hardest in the garage of any team often remaining several hours working on the car after everyone had gone home for the day. Ernie built a powerhouse of an engine and the boys figured out how to build the body more narrow than everyone else so it carved the wind better.

[CIRF]

Every Nascar media outlet I have seen, has offer congrats to KB, said it was quite a comeback story, and well deserved. the only individual that seems to be crying about it, is the subject of this thread. Says he is the only one that knows Nascar, apparently. If you disagree with him, you get a childish like response. He cannot help himself. Also, I'm coming to doubt that the guy even has a job. It seems like all he does is post all over this board, and declares himself the resident expert. Now just watch the childish response I get back for this post. LOL

Trash Stewart, make some comment about power 20, make some comment about Chip G. Make some comment about trashing JG. That should about cover it/ yuk yuk
Oh yes, and my feelings are hurt. Forgot that one

Still under you skin I see!! Right where I wanna' be. Literally LOL.

Don't forget the trademark, 3rd grade girls, hehehehehe signature.

Are you and Power 20/TS FAN the same guy? If so I love the snappy comebacks. You're good!! LOL!

[fastford]

Do you remember the 9 car making up 2 laps under green at Talladega and winning now that was pulling out of line with a little extra poney's and before this goofey I mean luckey dog thing.

yep, I was there and it was a thing of beauty , especially for us ford fans, however I think it was the beginning of the end. the chevy boys complained so much that nascar changed the rules, ie: restrictor plates. now some will say it was because of bobby Allison,s wreck , but I never bought that. LIKE oldfart said above, it started with a roof and now the final nail in the coffin is the computer and fuel injection. all these cars are cookie cutter cars and there performance can be controlled by nascar. how could any one know that the powers that be did not get together and say, man, JGR needs a win and wouldn't kyle bush coming back from such adversities to win the championship be a great ending to this year, so we will give them a computer at the beginning of the race with 20 extra hp in it. next year we need to take care of ole Jack Roush and the ford fans , so we will throw them a bone next year. like every one else on here, this is just my opinion, and I think nascar is in the survival mode and any thing is possible.

[CIRF]

Do you remember the 9 car making up 2 laps under green at Talladega and winning now that was pulling out of line with a little extra poney's and before this goofey I mean luckey dog thing.

I remember that well. It was considered the greatest race that was ever run at the time. It was in a time when hot dog wrapper debris yellows weren't thrown in order to keep favorites from going a lap down. The cars were as fast as the teams could make them. Not the glorified equalized iroc type cars of today where overlooking a few thousands of an inch here or there with a rule could manipulate a win for those are selected to have a good run. The small town Elliott family team worked the hardest in the garage of any team often remaining several hours working on the car after everyone had gone home for the day. Ernie built a powerhouse of an engine and the boys figured out how to build the body more narrow than everyone else so it carved the wind better.

I remember watching the race you guys speak of at Talladega way back in 1985. IIRC the 9 car had an oil fitting malfunction which caused the 2 lap deficit. I remember my Dad, who wasn't an Elliott fan, saying at the time that the race was one that would be cherished by history. Elliott says to this day that he's amazed that the engine stayed together.

At the time Bill was winning everything. I think Elliott won 11 races in '85 but didn't win the championship mostly because the 9 team didn't have a very good short track program at that time. Junior Johnson and Darrell Waltrip did and they took home the Winston Cup.

I remember 1985 a bit more vividly than some other seasons. My interest in NASCAR began when I was 8 or 9 years old and in '85, although still very young, I attended my first NASCAR race, the 1985 Daytona 500, and Elliott obviously spanked 'em in the 500. At that time I was fresh out of college and broke but somehow found enough cash to make the 1200 mile trip to Daytona for Speedweeks. 1985 began a personal February ritual and tradition that endured until 2006, although we haven't been to the 500 since about 1996. We did the twin qualifiers and dirt track thing from '96 on. So yes, 1985 and that epic performance by Bill at Talladega holds a lot of nostalgia and sentiment to us in spite of the fact that I was never a big Elliott fan.

The Elliott performance at Talladega is nearly universally regarded as the single most dominating performance by a driver, car and team in the history of NASCAR.

From the beginning of his career all the way 'till today Bill Elliott exemplifies humble dignity, a virtuous character trait sorely missing from many drivers, and sports figures as a whole, in today's world.

[Raceready]

That race or the race that was won by 14 laps at Darlington by Ned Jarrett would have been allowed to run that way today under Brian France and the Tomfoolery that goes on.

[fastford]

how about the 1972 Daytona race when ford finally debuted the 427 cammer they had spent millions on and took years to develop, only to run it ONE race and it got banned. of course neil bonnet lapped the field 2 or 3 times that day. next day bill france banned big blocks. ford boycotted nascar for a while, only to finally come back with ernie Elliott and bill and guess what, nascar beat them down again. those were the good ole days when some one could take the rules and out think everyone else and earn an advantage. those days are gone with every aspect of the car being controlled by nascar from the beginning......

[CIRF]

how about the 1972 Daytona race when ford finally debuted the 427 cammer they had spent millions on and took years to develop, only to run it ONE race and it got banned. of course neil bonnet lapped the field 2 or 3 times that day. next day bill france banned big blocks. ford boycotted nascar for a while, only to finally come back with ernie Elliott and bill and guess what, nascar beat them down again. those were the good ole days when some one could take the rules and out think everyone else and earn an advantage. those days are gone with every aspect of the car being controlled by nascar from the beginning......

Wow fastford! Your mention of the Ford cammer brings a flood of nostalgia. My favorite Indy Car driver of all time, Al Unser Sr., drove Ford cammer powered USAC Championship Dirt Cars back in the days when the National Championship Trail went through places like Springfield, Du Quoin, Syracuse and Sacramento. Sadly, I was too young to be able to attend the Champ Car races at those places in those days but I've read and heard the stories.

Just a side note to the Ford cammer. I went to Smokey Yunick's auction at his truck dealership and race shop on Beach Street in Holy Hill, which is basically Daytona, back in 1988. There was a complete Smokey Yunick built Ford cammer strapped to a wood pallet that brought in excess of $35,000.00. 35 large bought a lot more in those days than now. I doubt you could touch an authentic Ford cammer for less than 50 large or more these days. I got to touch it for nothing!! LOL!

[buster83]

what about when petty won but the engine was illegal, that may have been the start that everybody has the same equal block and the downfall of nascar.

[jog49]

On this thread alone, I'm opening a winery. There seems to be an abundance of "sour grapes" in this harvest!