Dang no talent loser!!

[kidrock]

You would think they would no not to put in 160,000 thousand seats when they can only fill up 80,000 thousand of them seems like a waste of money.

They kept adding seats because there was a demand for them now that's not the case.

What about your local dirt tracks there's not a demand for them like there used to be at quite a few local tracks so, do you think they should get rid of some of them as well.

[drano]

They kept adding seats because there was a demand for them now that's not the case.

What about your local dirt tracks there's not a demand for them like there used to be at quite a few local tracks so, do you think they should get rid of some of them as well.

Well......we are talking about the almighty world wide ever growing Nascar not your local small track that draws local fans, you know the fortune 500 company called Nascar.

[kidrock]

Well......we are talking about the almighty world wide ever growing Nascar not your local small track that draws local fans, you know the fortune 500 company called Nascar.

That's fine but, when your still getting 80,000 to 100,000 not to bad, yes not the 140,00 to 160,000 they used to get but, like I said when they used to have the demand why wouldn't you put in more seats.

Motor sports in general is in decline. The one good thing late models still draw good crowds on their big shows.

[drano]

Wonder why the big decline.

[kidrock]

Wonder why the big decline.

As far as NASCAR the racing just hasn't been that good the last 5 years. Of course some are going to say because of what they call gimmicks like the chase and whatever else they want to point out which I'm sure before the day ends tomorrow you will hear and probably agree with. For me I don't care and have never cared about points or who even wins the championship. I just want the racing to be good and I know not every race is going to be good and I don't care what class we are talking about.

As far as your local tracks. There are just so many more things people have to do. Plus their kids are into sports almost year round anymore. Plus now with Xbox, play station or whatever game that's out there kids would rather stay home and play their games. Plus the cost even though the cost for the front gate is really not that bad but, if take a family of let's say 4 it's a 60 to 75 dollar night and some people just don't have the extra money anymore.

[old fan]

the decline might because its a mainstream sport people are not going mainstream sports , as far as Kyle and jj how many time did jj 's team get caught cheating and how many times did Kyles team et caught as far as the cost for local tracks has it really changed that much over the years for a fan

[kidrock]

the decline might because its a mainstream sport people are not going mainstream sports , as far as Kyle and jj how many time did jj 's team get caught cheating and how many times did Kyles team et caught as far as the cost for local tracks has it really changed that much over the years for a fan

I guess to some it has because that's what I have heard from some of the guys that used to go. They say to take their family and buy food it's between 60 and 75 a night and take that times 4 that's 240 to 300 dollars a month and they just can't afford to spend that kind of money anymore. Now most of my friends have kids over 13 so, I guess those who have kids under 11 that's not the case.

[old fan]

but that is something that can not and won't change if the kids ae over 12 , how about the tracks that charge for kids under 12 how stupid is that ,NASCAR events though its the motel room expenses plus the ticket etc etc something like this could help the short tracks http://www.4m.net/showthread.php?357...urday-April-23

[mudslinger47]

Its the cost that stopped me from going.... especially when the motels all jack their rates up when they know its a big weekend.... oh well, they're loss.

[mudslinger47]

And I know Kyle crashed out, but haven't seen the first 300 laps yet... I know don't make much sense....

[kidrock]

Its the cost that stopped me from going.... especially when the motels all jack their rates up when they know its a big weekend.... oh well, they're loss.

That's been a big complaint for years now with the motels jacking up the prices on race weekend.

[mudslinger47]

That's been a big complaint for years now with the motels jacking up the prices on race weekend.

The last time I went to PIR in Az., we took a motorhome and parked in the parking lot with hundreds of other motorhome and had a heck of a good time... the parking lot was free then and it was a very cheap weekend. Even the tickets at the time were reasonable, I think it was 30 bucks for Sat. which was Busch, Trucks and Southwest Tour... then the Cup race on Sunday... Quick short story, knowing getting out of the parking lot would be a task, Sunday morning, we took our MH out to a NASCAR park and ride (it was free also) and road their tram back to the track... when the race was over, we hopped on the tram, it had a direct shot out to the park and ride, we were outta there in 20 minutes... just a little creative thinking...

[kidrock]

The last time I went to PIR in Az., we took a motorhome and parked in the parking lot with hundreds of other motorhome and had a heck of a good time... the parking lot was free then and it was a very cheap weekend. Even the tickets at the time were reasonable, I think it was 30 bucks for Sat. which was Busch, Trucks and Southwest Tour... then the Cup race on Sunday... Quick short story, knowing getting out of the parking lot would be a task, Sunday morning, we took our MH out to a NASCAR park and ride (it was free also) and road their tram back to the track... when the race was over, we hopped on the tram, it had a direct shot out to the park and ride, we were outta there in 20 minutes... just a little creative thinking...

Yes sometimes it pays off to think creatively. You know the motels made out big time for a few years but, now it's costing them. Greed always comes back to bite you in the azz sooner or later. I don't care what it is.

[CIRF]

Our home is less than an hour from one of the NASCAR Cup "chase" tracks. We have never been to a Cup race at this facility. Been to a bunch of Indy Car races there but never a Cup race.

Reason being is that they package the tickets in such a way that it's mandatory to buy tickets to races that we in no way want to attend so as to be able to get Cup tickets.

Many of the folks that purchased Cup tickets had no interest in attending the Indy Car race and in most cases they gave away the Indy Car tickets (sometimes to me! LOL!). The Indy Car tickets were a necessary evil that the NASCAR fans were willing to eat the cost of in order to attend the Cup race.

They lost a lot of customers as a result of that policy after the new wore off of NASCAR and they were left with the few that still want to attend.

As far as the rooms are concerned those folks pooped in their own lunch bucket and I don't feel a bit sorry for them. When we first started going to Daytona for February Speedweeks if you wanted a room you were faced with 5 and 6 night minimum stays at double the regular wintertime rates and you booked your room for the next year before you left.

We have family that has lived in Daytona for over 30 years and they tell us that NASCAR and ISC urged local hoteliers to let up on the minimum stays and price gouging. I believe the hoteliers heeded the message, at least to some extent, and things are a bit better now than they were 10 years ago. At that time there were a lot of fans that would stay over in Orlando and drive to the track in Daytona as opposed to staying in an overpriced oceanside hotel.

The bottom line is that those that were able to profit the most from NASCAR lived through the perfect storm and some, if not most, of them believed it would never end. But we've seen the bottom fall out and they, the hoteliers and tracks, just can't seem to bring themselves to reduce the costs of the lodging and tickets back in line with what people can, or are willing, to pay.

Maybe they made enough during the boom to justify losing what they're losing now. Either way they have partially caused their own decline.

[Clayton_Wetter]

the decline might because its a mainstream sport people are not going mainstream sports , as far as Kyle and jj how many time did jj 's team get caught cheating and how many times did Kyles team et caught as far as the cost for local tracks has it really changed that much over the years for a fan

So JJ cheated and the fans quit coming? What are you doing. getting your meds mixed up again???