Dang no talent loser!!

[CIRF]

Say no more

What? Is that an order? LOL!!!

Then you really can't say if it's good racing or not

I'm simply not interested in some NASCAR support class accept for how the dirt guys ran or finished. I can't think of anything wrong with that, can you?

I forgot to ask you did you see all those empty seats in Phenoix at the Indy car race the other night wasn't that sad to see

I did see them and I wasn't aware that it had any particular effect on the quality or outcome of the race. I didn't know you were such an Indy Car fan. Good for you! It's real racing without the gimmicks, don't you think? No lucky dog, no chase, no group qualifying, no GWC. None of that bull$hit and it was a pretty good race, too. That's why we pay attention, it's not all gimmicked up.

Oh, there's going to be an Indy Car race over in Indiana on Memorial Day. It's reported that there are very few tickets left for that race. The track seats around 275,000 people. Be sure you tune in and while you're enjoying a great race check out that crowd to see how many of those 275,000 seats are empty! LOL!!

We'll be there along with over a quarter million others race fans.

[old fan]

[QUOTE=CIRF;1998233]Like I said, it's nothing more than a very expensive support class of which not very many care anything about. The definition of bitching is not pointing out character virtues, or in this case the lack thereof. At least not by any reasonable persons definition. By all accounts and personal experience Kyle Larson was taught, and implements reasonably good manners, and shows signs of having class and dignity. Unlike pee wee jr. If there are extraordinarily good drivers in trucks then why, pray tell, aren't they driving a Cup car making the big money? Must not be all that good, at least not yet.Is there any rational explanation for the consistent decline in NASCAR Cup viewership? It couldn't be that people are fed up with all the gimmickry and phony rules enforcement, could it? Nah!Nothing to fix and definitely no hatred, just pointing out the obvious. thingWhat race do you speak what the KYLE IS THE 2015 CHAMPION AND YOU WANTED DAVID PEARSON LMFAO

[CIRF]

[QUOTE=old fan;1998325]

Like I said, it's nothing more than a very expensive support class of which not very many care anything about. The definition of bitching is not pointing out character virtues, or in this case the lack thereof. At least not by any reasonable persons definition. By all accounts and personal experience Kyle Larson was taught, and implements reasonably good manners, and shows signs of having class and dignity. Unlike pee wee jr. If there are extraordinarily good drivers in trucks then why, pray tell, aren't they driving a Cup car making the big money? Must not be all that good, at least not yet.Is there any rational explanation for the consistent decline in NASCAR Cup viewership? It couldn't be that people are fed up with all the gimmickry and phony rules enforcement, could it? Nah!Nothing to fix and definitely no hatred, just pointing out the obvious. thingWhat race do you speak what the KYLE IS THE 2015 CHAMPION AND YOU WANTED DAVID PEARSON LMFAO

Huh?! Say what?!!

[kidrock]

What? Is that an order? LOL!!!

I'm simply not interested in some NASCAR support class accept for how the dirt guys ran or finished. I can't think of anything wrong with that, can you?

I did see them and I wasn't aware that it had any particular effect on the quality or outcome of the race. I didn't know you were such an Indy Car fan. Good for you! It's real racing without the gimmicks, don't you think? No lucky dog, no chase, no group qualifying, no GWC. None of that bull$hit and it was a pretty good race, too. That's why we pay attention, it's not all gimmicked up.

Oh, there's going to be an Indy Car race over in Indiana on Memorial Day. It's reported that there are very few tickets left for that race. The track seats around 275,000 people. Be sure you tune in and while you're enjoying a great race check out that crowd to see how many of those 275,000 seats are empty! LOL!!

We'll be there along with over a quarter million others race fans.

I told you before I watch Indy cars and have for as long as I can remember. I can't remember missing to many Indy 500. Like I said I remember listening to it on the radio and watching it on TV later that day or night.

Yes they have turned things around at Indy and why not it's the biggest race in this country and has been for as long as I can remember. It hasn't always been the greatest of races every year but,my hat doesn't stop me from tuning in. There's just something about the Indy 500 that is magical and like said the race isn't always that great.

As far as gimmicks as you call them I'm not that bothered by them like you are but, if it makes you feel better to keep bringing it up knock yourself out lol

[mudslinger47]

Its looked to me like what Kyle Busch learned from the truck race was tire management... Kyle went a long ways on tires, much longer then several others and was still faster.... And for cirf, the Trucks put on some of the best racing in NASCAR and its clowns like you that give them a bad name... you talk of them being a support show, as that's a bad thing.... and though I am a dirt fan first, sprints don't do much for me but I can say I have seen a couple good sprint car shows but dozens of good DLM shows even when Superman is slapping everyone around.... World of Outlaw sprints were at Vegas when we raced there, we were the support class.... we were loaded and outta there cause it was a train race which happens so often with sprint cars....

[old fan]

that's what CIRF likes those train racces

[Highside Hustler25]

NASCAR attendance

The Thursday qualifiers used to draw 75 to 80 thousand people and this year, according to the Daytona Beach News Journal there weren't half that many there. The 500 sold out but they had to spend $400 million and do away with 50,000 seats to get that job done! LOL!

Indy Car attendance
I did see them and I wasn't aware that it had any particular effect on the quality or outcome of the race. I didn't know you were such an Indy Car fan.

Cirf = biggest hypocrite on 4m.

[CIRF]

As far as gimmicks as you call them I'm not that bothered by them like you are but, if it makes you feel better to keep bringing it up knock yourself out lol

How can you not bring it up. Gimmicks are what defines NASCAR, it's fans and defenders these days

Its looked to me like what Kyle Busch learned from the truck race was tire management... Kyle went a long ways on tires, much longer then several others and was still faster.... And for cirf, the Trucks put on some of the best racing in NASCAR and its clowns like you that give them a bad name... you talk of them being a support show, as that's a bad thing.... and though I am a dirt fan first, sprints don't do much for me but I can say I have seen a couple good sprint car shows but dozens of good DLM shows even when Superman is slapping everyone around.... World of Outlaw sprints were at Vegas when we raced there, we were the support class.... we were loaded and outta there cause it was a train race which happens so often with sprint cars....

Who's superman and what kind of racecar does he drive. Has he ever beaten Kyle Larson, Christopher Bell or Brian Clauson on dirt?

Support classes aren't inherently bad but they are what they are. You should know that since you play second fiddle to the WoO sprint cars.

Train race? I can appreciate that, I'd have left, too. Generally speaking, wings don't make for great racing. Fastest cars on dirt? Yes, by far. The winged sprints are over 2 seconds a lap faster than the unlimited dirt late models and about a second and a half faster than the wingless 410's. But the wingless 410 sprint cars put on a much better show.

The Silver Crown cars are significantly slower than the winged 410's but the Crown cars put on a much better show than the winged cars at a place like Terre Haute such was the case Sunday evening at THAT. Fast doesn't necessarily mean great racing. I doubt you'd have left the Sunday night race at the Action Track, it was a good one!

NASCAR attendance


Cirf = biggest hypocrite on 4m.

highside hustler25=doesn't comprehend the meaning of hypocritical, among many other things.

It seems that we've gotten under your skin, as we often do, and I'm kinda' enjoying it, again. LOL!

[kidrock]

You keep bringing it up and I will keep watching the races and we will both be happy and isn't that what life's all about being as happy as you can LMAO!!!!!

The amount of fans in the trucks races doesn't mean the racing not good but, you would have no idea about that because you don't watch it.

[kidrock]

http://www.racer.com/north-american-racing/item/127927-tv-ratings-f1-bahrain-indycar

Here's some TV rating from this past weekend in racing

No, Indy Car has no fanbase left. The oval fans are long gone save for May and the road and street fans are too few to matter in this country. Indy Car has a boring, stale product that isn't sellable in its current state. No matter how many gimmicks like aero-dresses and pushes-to-block they come up with.


I agree with this, second comment, from you Matt. To anyone that that has watched IndyCar racing over the past few years it is clearly the best racing around. That said, I love the ovals, and the ovals are critical component of the diverse driver skill required in this series. Just like temp and perm road tracks, short and big ovals are essential. The Indy 500 is by far the most exciting event going right now, and this statement comes from someone that can acknowledge that the 500 was rather boring at times in the past, but right now the most exciting race in the series is an oval, the big one in Indianapolis...it is edge of the seat. I have my tickets for May and camping outside of turn 4, can't wait!!! I also attend the street races too.

Two different points of view from race fans

My point of view is the oval racing is pretty good but, as far as the street races I'm no fan of them at all.

What I did find interesting the guy talking about gimmicks in Indy car

[CIRF]

http://www.racer.com/north-american-...ahrain-indycar


Here's some TV rating from this past weekend in racing

No, Indy Car has no fanbase left. The oval fans are long gone save for May and the road and street fans are too few to matter in this country. Indy Car has a boring, stale product that isn't sellable in its current state. No matter how many gimmicks like aero-dresses and pushes-to-block they come up with.


I agree with this, second comment, from you Matt. To anyone that that has watched IndyCar racing over the past few years it is clearly the best racing around. That said, I love the ovals, and the ovals are critical component of the diverse driver skill required in this series. Just like temp and perm road tracks, short and big ovals are essential. The Indy 500 is by far the most exciting event going right now, and this statement comes from someone that can acknowledge that the 500 was rather boring at times in the past, but right now the most exciting race in the series is an oval, the big one in Indianapolis...it is edge of the seat. I have my tickets for May and camping outside of turn 4, can't wait!!! I also attend the street races too.

Two different points of view from race fans

My point of view is the oval racing is pretty good but, as far as the street races I'm no fan of them at all.

What I did find interesting the guy talking about gimmicks in Indy car

Go back and find where I remotely implied that NASCAR truck racing was not good racing. It may well be but the crowds that you see at the races and the TV numbers indicate that the interest level isn't very high. I've indicated why I personally take any interest in it and usually that consists of watching the highlights on YouTube or checking a website to see where the dirt boys started and finished.

As far as the Indy Car deal is concerned the interest levels are no higher than the NASCAR trucks and we've given our take on why that is several times and won't bother to state it here again.

Our interest stems from a lifetime of following the Indy Car genre. No one has been anymore critical of Indy Car than I but one point I will not be critical of is Indy Car's continued resistance to emulating NASCAResque carnival barker gimmicks and foolhardy rules adaptations that I've clearly stated above.

I wonder where that fan camps off of turn 4 at The Indy 500. We too pull the 5th wheel over to Indy and camp just a couple of blocks off of turn 4 in the back yard of a private residence of which the owners also happen to be really good friends. We're about a block South of the Coke plant.

One additional point about Indy Car, I have not and will not attend or watch a race of any kind on a temporary road coarse. I either watch or DVR every race on the ovals.

And, contrary to some half witted implication of hypocrisy, it doesn't exist in any real terms. Only in the minds of those who are put off and offended by the truth. However, it's fun to know they're offended and put off! LOL!

[kidrock]

I don't believe I said you said it wasn't good racing. I believe I said you can't say because you don't watch it.

[plunks7]

After 16 pages of all this garbage. I might as well join in with JMO, I mean what the hell can it hurt? I do watch the truck races, only because of some of the previous Late Model Drivers I had the opportunity to see in Person. And they also have a very legit chance to move up the Nascar ladder. Xfinity series and trucks would be a lot better to watch if the (Busch Whackers) would stay the hell out.
Now as far as the Indy cars or F1 I think they suck!!!!! Not enough cars. The Indy 500 way back then was much better than the present, hands down. I live in IOWA 2 1/2 hours from Knoxville, you know home of the Sprint Cup Nationals. I have yet to go, NO interest. But yet I have gone to several Late Model Nationals at Knoxville. And will continue until I am not able to. So to all that have posted on this subject. That's my take and you have yours which is all good as far as I am concerned.

I will point out 3 things. I watch Napcar and my favorite Driver Kyle Bush!!!!!!! My friends and I still have bets when Danica will crash.

[CIRF]

I don't believe I said you said it wasn't good racing. I believe I said you can't say because you don't watch it.

I'll take your word for how great the truck racing is, okay.

After 16 pages of all this garbage. I might as well join in with JMO, I mean what the hell can it hurt? I do watch the truck races, only because of some of the previous Late Model Drivers I had the opportunity to see in Person. And they also have a very legit chance to move up the Nascar ladder. Xfinity series and trucks would be a lot better to watch if the (Busch Whackers) would stay the hell out.
Now as far as the Indy cars or F1 I think they suck!!!!! Not enough cars. The Indy 500 way back then was much better than the present, hands down. I live in IOWA 2 1/2 hours from Knoxville, you know home of the Sprint Cup Nationals. I have yet to go, NO interest. But yet I have gone to several Late Model Nationals at Knoxville. And will continue until I am not able to. So to all that have posted on this subject. That's my take and you have yours which is all good as far as I am concerned.

I will point out 3 things. I watch Napcar and my favorite Driver Kyle Bush!!!!!!! My friends and I still have bets when Danica will crash.

They start 33 cars in the Indy 500. That isn't enough cars? They've been starting 33 cars for almost all of the 99 years the Indy 500 has been in existence. Hmmm. I have been going to the Indy 500 every year since the early 1980's and the last 3 years have been the best racing I've seen on tracks of a mile and a half or larger and that includes NASCAR races. The appeal is the minimum of gimmicks and the fact that it's rare that a driver can bulldoze their way around other cars and drivers generally have to be much more respectful of other drivers or people could get killed. Especially on the ovals. It usually takes speed, skill and guts, in that order, to make a pass, unlike the taxi cabs.

I too have never been to The Knoxville Nationals (Sprint Cup Nationals?) but it's arguably the biggest dirt track race of the year with the Chili Bowl being a very close second. Vastly larger and more prestigious than the late models at Knoxville, or anywhere else, for that matter. Reason we've never been to the sprint Nationals? We don't care for the wings. Take the wings off and we'd be there every year.

Glad you could add a bit of your own garbage to what already is here. Looks like your garbage will fit right in.

[kidrock]

After 16 pages of all this garbage. I might as well join in with JMO, I mean what the hell can it hurt? I do watch the truck races, only because of some of the previous Late Model Drivers I had the opportunity to see in Person. And they also have a very legit chance to move up the Nascar ladder. Xfinity series and trucks would be a lot better to watch if the (Busch Whackers) would stay the hell out.
Now as far as the Indy cars or F1 I think they suck!!!!! Not enough cars. The Indy 500 way back then was much better than the present, hands down. I live in IOWA 2 1/2 hours from Knoxville, you know home of the Sprint Cup Nationals. I have yet to go, NO interest. But yet I have gone to several Late Model Nationals at Knoxville. And will continue until I am not able to. So to all that have posted on this subject. That's my take and you have yours which is all good as far as I am concerned.

I will point out 3 things. I watch Napcar and my favorite Driver Kyle Bush!!!!!!! My friends and I still have bets when Danica will crash.

I was thinking when I read this plunks don't do it don't do it lol because I knew you were going to hear it lol!!!!