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  • dirtMAN007
    Senior Member
    • Mar 2008
    • 5691

    #46
    Originally posted by kidrock View Post
    i haven't voted democrat for the last 12 years. And your bs about me not voting for trump or hillary so hillary's wins is such bs. That has to be the most ignorant thing you have posted on here. If you guys would have nominated a creditable candidate you wouldn't even be concerned if i voted for someone other then trump because ,it would have been a landlsde victory. By the way your party has been doing a fine job of spending themselves so, can't just pin this on the democrats here but, i understand that's what you have been told by the your leaders.
    the peopke nominated trump .............................. That in itself is enough to tell anyone with a second grade education that everyone else is corrupt !!!!!!

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    • CIRF
      Senior Member
      • Jul 2007
      • 8122

      #47
      Originally posted by mud duck View Post
      Let me ask both, since your concerned about the deficit which we both are!! What is your feelings on the billions and billions spent in Iraq?? And the lives lost and families destroyed back home that Bush and Cheney got us in?? Remember Georgy standing on the air craft carrier in his flight suit with banner in back ground, Mission Accomplished?? How many years ago was that?? And we're still sinking dollars into that sand trap! Hey, but it's okay Donnie will fix everything!! LOL
      When all the intel was coming in from Iraq saying Hussein (hey!! your president is named hussein!!) had WMD's I was for going and taking them out. The intel was wrong, thus I was wrong. Had the intel reflected no WMD's I would have been four square against any military action. After Iraq was destabilized it was then too late, there was no turning back. I am not well read enough to debate as to whether the intel was purposely erroneous or not. I'd like to think it wasn't.

      I don't know who to blame for the erroneous intel but I do believe GWB acted in good faith on the intel he was given. I was no fan of GWB and the deal on the aircraft carrier was a debacle that he will never live down. I believe Afghanistan was a necessary fight but someone should have learned from the Russian involvement. I'm out of my league even talking about Afghanistan because I don't know for sure what I'm talking about.

      The financial problems at the end of his second term could have, and should have, been handled much differently. I believe he could see what was coming but I also believe he was hoping to run out the clock before it got as bad as it did.

      I believe GWB is/was an honorable and forthright man, but he paid dearly in public opinion for sticking by his decisions. Not sure his persistence was a good thing or bad for him personally but it sure turned a lot of people against him.

      Originally posted by TS FAN View Post
      It will be the most watched debate in history. BTW, it is almost a certainly the moderators will be Democrats and will hand the lying old bat red meat against Trump, but they haven't seen what Trump will do up close and personal. It ought to be a riot.
      There are so many in the media who have a personal grudge against Trump that it will be impossible for him to get anything close to a fair shake during the campaign and especially in the debates. If he can overcome the personal media bias I will be very surprised.

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      • kidrock
        Senior Member
        • May 2007
        • 16407

        #48
        Originally posted by dirtMAN007 View Post
        the peopke nominated trump .............................. That in itself is enough to tell anyone with a second grade education that everyone else is corrupt !!!!!!
        You said it I didn't but, you might be right so, your saying the other 16 candidates on the republican side are corrupt.

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        • kidrock
          Senior Member
          • May 2007
          • 16407

          #49
          Originally posted by CIRF View Post
          When all the intel was coming in from Iraq saying Hussein (hey!! your president is named hussein!!) had WMD's I was for going and taking them out. The intel was wrong, thus I was wrong. Had the intel reflected no WMD's I would have been four square against any military action. After Iraq was destabilized it was then too late, there was no turning back. I am not well read enough to debate as to whether the intel was purposely erroneous or not. I'd like to think it wasn't.

          I don't know who to blame for the erroneous intel but I do believe GWB acted in good faith on the intel he was given. I was no fan of GWB and the deal on the aircraft carrier was a debacle that he will never live down. I believe Afghanistan was a necessary fight but someone should have learned from the Russian involvement. I'm out of my league even talking about Afghanistan because I don't know for sure what I'm talking about.

          The financial problems at the end of his second term could have, and should have, been handled much differently. I believe he could see what was coming but I also believe he was hoping to run out the clock before it got as bad as it did.

          I believe GWB is/was an honorable and forthright man, but he paid dearly in public opinion for sticking by his decisions. Not sure his persistence was a good thing or bad for him personally but it sure turned a lot of people against him.

          There are so many in the media who have a personal grudge against Trump that it will be impossible for him to get anything close to a fair shake during the campaign and especially in the debates. If he can overcome the personal media bias I will be very surprised.
          Oh come on your smarter then that and you know they knew there were no WMD's but, scewd the intel to make it look like there was WMD's anyone with any kind of smarts knew that. W let that no good low life scum Dik Cheaney talk him into this war.

          I wonder how many Billions Haliburton made off theses wars anyway.

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          • TS FAN
            Senior Member
            • Jul 2008
            • 4236

            #50
            It he gets well prepped he will over come it IMO. He should have exact info on what is coming and he should be able to address it. It just depends on how much effort he puts in. Clinton can only spin her putting the Country at risk. She did it, the FBI said so. As much as I wanted her to be taken down, the FBI might have done the conservative side a huge favor. Trump is many things but there is no evidence that he is a corrupted criminal who seems to be above the law. Time will tell of course on how the contest goes.

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            • kidrock
              Senior Member
              • May 2007
              • 16407

              #51
              Clinton should do the honorable thing and step down as the nominee and let Bernie challange Trump for the Presidency but, we know she doesn't know what that means.

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              • CIRF
                Senior Member
                • Jul 2007
                • 8122

                #52
                Originally posted by kidrock View Post
                Oh come on your smarter then that and you know they knew there were no WMD's but, scewd the intel to make it look like there was WMD's anyone with any kind of smarts knew that. W let that no good low life scum Dik Cheaney talk him into this war.

                I wonder how many Billions Haliburton made off theses wars anyway.
                Okay, I have no proof one way or the other so I really can't definitively discuss the whole WMD thing. I doubt you do, either. I will say this, if it was a conspiracy it had to be a pretty big one and there has to be a whole lotta' people who are keeping the secret to this day, which is hard to do. But, stranger things have happened. Like a rapist being elected twice to be be the leader of the free world and his wife enabling and defending him in order to keep him in office and ride his coat tails to the nomination 18 years later.

                I wasn't all that thrilled with his presidency as a whole but I still believe GWB is an honorable, God fearing man that is fallible like all the rest of us. Hate on, Kid.

                Originally posted by TS FAN View Post
                It he gets well prepped he will over come it IMO. He should have exact info on what is coming and he should be able to address it. It just depends on how much effort he puts in. Clinton can only spin her putting the Country at risk. She did it, the FBI said so. As much as I wanted her to be taken down, the FBI might have done the conservative side a huge favor. Trump is many things but there is no evidence that he is a corrupted criminal who seems to be above the law. Time will tell of course on how the contest goes.
                You might be right, but Ol' Trumpy had better have his ducks in a row or the media will devour him like a pot brownie in Colorado at a cannabis convention. I honestly believe they will anyway. We all should remember how biased the moderators were in a couple of the Romney-hussein debates. It's gonna' be worse this time around. I have never seen the media be as personally vengeful and vindictive as they have already with Trumpy. And it's not even August yet.

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                • Clayton_Wetter
                  Banned
                  • May 2007
                  • 16671

                  #53
                  The media is going to keep attacking Trump regardless of the ducks in a row. After all, they are a branch of the Democrat party itself.

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                  • kidrock
                    Senior Member
                    • May 2007
                    • 16407

                    #54
                    Originally posted by CIRF View Post
                    Okay, I have no proof one way or the other so I really can't definitively discuss the whole WMD thing. I doubt you do, either. I will say this, if it was a conspiracy it had to be a pretty big one and there has to be a whole lotta' people who are keeping the secret to this day, which is hard to do. But, stranger things have happened. Like a rapist being elected twice to be be the leader of the free world and his wife enabling and defending him in order to keep him in office and ride his coat tails to the nomination 18 years later.

                    I wasn't all that thrilled with his presidency as a whole but I still believe GWB is an honorable, God fearing man that is fallible like all the rest of us. Hate on, Kid.

                    You might be right, but Ol' Trumpy had better have his ducks in a row or the media will devour him like a pot brownie in Colorado at a cannabis convention. I honestly believe they will anyway. We all should remember how biased the moderators were in a couple of the Romney-hussein debates. It's gonna' be worse this time around. I have never seen the media be as personally vengeful and vindictive as they have already with Trumpy. And it's not even August yet.
                    No hate just telling it like others in the Administartion have said but, it's to late for that we have to deal with it and move on from here.

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                    • formercrewguy
                      Senior Member
                      • May 2007
                      • 987

                      #55
                      If Trump was smart he would bring a tape recorder to the debates and play back one of her speeches where she denies sending classified emails.......then play back the FBI's info.

                      Slam dunk.....it's over.

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                      • mudslinger47
                        Banned
                        • May 2007
                        • 3452

                        #56
                        Our leftist friends... when they got nothin' they always head to the Iraq invasion.... always.... that's how you know they got nothin'... your better then that kid.... Mud Duck, not so sure...

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                        • mudslinger47
                          Banned
                          • May 2007
                          • 3452

                          #57
                          Originally posted by kidrock View Post
                          I haven't voted Democrat for the last 12 years. And your bs about me not voting for trump or Hillary so Hillary's wins is such bs. That has to be the most ignorant thing you have posted on here. If you guys would have nominated a creditable candidate you wouldn't even be concerned if I voted for someone other then trump because ,it would have been a landlsde victory. By the way your party has been doing a fine job of spending themselves so, Can't just pin this on the Democrats here but, I understand that's what you have been told by the your leaders.
                          A vote for anyone else other then Trump is a vote for Clinton... deny deny deny, but I'm still right...

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                          • dirtMAN007
                            Senior Member
                            • Mar 2008
                            • 5691

                            #58
                            Originally posted by kidrock View Post
                            you said it i didn't but, you might be right so, your saying the other 16 candidates on the republican side are corrupt.
                            all politicians are corrupt therefore all but ben carson atre c0rrupt !!!!!!

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                            • Clayton_Wetter
                              Banned
                              • May 2007
                              • 16671

                              #59
                              Originally posted by mudslinger47 View Post
                              Our leftist friends... when they got nothin' they always head to the Iraq invasion.... always.... that's how you know they got nothin'... your better then that kid.... Mud Duck, not so sure...

                              Yep it's always D!ck Chaney time or GW... and they don't even have that right.

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                              • Clayton_Wetter
                                Banned
                                • May 2007
                                • 16671

                                #60
                                Originally posted by mudslinger47 View Post
                                A vote for anyone else other then Trump is a vote for Clinton... deny deny deny, but I'm still right...
                                To not vote is to vote. That is an undeniable fact.

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