What A Contrast

[Barbecueboy]

big freaking deal that is the only race Indy cars draw where NASCAR has what 38 races so they have one bad crowd big deal check the total attendance between both lmao and get back with me

One bad crowd????????

Have you been checked for concussion syndrome?

[hoosier race fan]

This picture shows just how big the crowd for the Indy 500 was as opposed to how dismal the crowd was for the NASCAR taxi cab Brickyard 400 race. Yeesh! My how the mighty have fallen!!

The Indy Cars actually look as if they belong and the taxi cabs look somewhat out of place.

We get it. NASCAR doesn't belong there. I would much rather see them race on a short track. Xfinity should be back at IRP and the cup series should race at Iowa. Indy Cars belong there, hence the name INDY cars. So what are you trying to do or prove by continuing to draw attention to something already covered thoroughly by many sports and news outlets in the Midwest along with social media? Your constant use of the term taxi cab just gives the impression of the arrogance held by many in the open wheel community.

Is there an underlying belief that if you make NASCAR sound bad enough that people will quit watching (did you see the TV rating for the brickyard?), NASCAR will fold, and the open wheel drivers you repeatedly ball wash will come to indycar and bring all their corporate sponsors with them? Sorry, but it's not happening. Target just announced they are leaving indycar. Giving up sponsorship of the defending series champion and a team they've sponsored for 26 years. Yet they are keeping their sponsorship of ganassi's cup team with Kyle Larson, a mid-pack team that has yet to win a race. Why? Eyeballs. NASCAR has the viewers, indycar doesn't.

NASCAR has screwed themselves in many ways, but let's not act like IndyCar has been infallible. The split - just start there. Let's compare their crowds pre-split and post-split.

I hate to point out these issues because I really enjoy both indycar racing and NASCAR at certain tracks. But since you insist on continuing to draw attention to this, I think it's only fair to present another side. I just don't understand this eagerness to tear down all different forms of racing. In the last three weeks I have been to a late model race, non-wing sprint race, and winged sprint race. I enjoyed every one of them. I've also seen the world of outlaws sprints, IndyCar series, and NASCAR sprint cup series this summer. All have things they can improve upon, but I don't see the benefit of trying to emphasize their flaws over their strengths compared to other forms of racing.

[CIRF]

So what are you trying to do or prove by continuing to draw attention to something already covered thoroughly by many sports and news outlets in the Midwest along with social media? Your constant use of the term taxi cab just gives the impression of the arrogance held by many in the open wheel community.

I'm not trying to prove anything, the proof is everywhere without me adding to it. The term "taxi cabs" obviously bothers you. GOOD!!

Is there an underlying belief that if you make NASCAR sound bad enough that people will quit watching (did you see the TV rating for the brickyard?), NASCAR will fold, and the open wheel drivers you repeatedly ball wash will come to indycar and bring all their corporate sponsors with them? Sorry, but it's not happening. Target just announced they are leaving indycar. Giving up sponsorship of the defending series champion and a team they've sponsored for 26 years. Yet they are keeping their sponsorship of ganassi's cup team with Kyle Larson, a mid-pack team that has yet to win a race. Why? Eyeballs. NASCAR has the viewers, indycar doesn't.

I'm gonna' try and be nice here.

Your little tidbit is just about as sanctimonious as it comes and a bit misleading at the same time. Listen up mister self appointed voice of truth and reason, the overall quality of my life doesn't depend on whether there is a NASCAR or an Indy Car. But I do get a certain degree of satisfaction from someone like yourself going out of your way to attempt to state my point of view of which you know nothing about.

As far as the ball wash comment, you fit the mud taxi inferiority complex syndrome model to a tee. Run with it.

It's kind of odd for someone who fancy's themself as learned and cogent as you to refer so lovingly to male sexual anatomy. Freudian slip maybe? LOL!!

NASCAR has screwed themselves in many ways, but let's not act like IndyCar has been infallible. The split - just start there. Let's compare their crowds pre-split and post-split.

I don't know how old you are and I don't care. I also don't know how much insight you have about the original split between USAC and CART. The demise of major league open wheel racing began when the major sanction of that era began to relinquish leverage to the big money owners and allowed those same owners to begin to legislate the innovation and creativity out of major open wheel racing and legislate and increase the effect of massive amounts of money. That all happened nearly 20 years prior to the CART/IRL split and that is a fact that has been proven and vouched for many times over.

In the last three weeks I have been to a late model race, non-wing sprint race, and winged sprint race. I enjoyed every one of them. I've also seen the world of outlaws sprints, IndyCar series, and NASCAR sprint cup series this summer. All have things they can improve upon, but I don't see the benefit of trying to emphasize their flaws over their strengths compared to other forms of racing.

Well, lets see mr. diversity, I'll call your late model, wingless and winged sprint car and WoO sprint, IndyCar and NASCAR and raise you 2 Silver Crown races on a 1 mile dirt and a 1/2 mile dirt, 2 great midget shows on dirt, a pavement Silver Crown race and an ARCA taxi cab race and several mud taxi shows. In less than 2 weeks we'll head West to Belleville, Kansas for 4 days. When all is said and done in total I've attended a lot more NASCAR races than Indy Car. So please, preach your self righteous "I love everything" bull$hit to someone that might possibly benefit from it.

[hoosier race fan]

For the sake of comparison, I think the crowd at the silver crown race at IRP was even worse than the NASCAR race at the brickyard. NASCAR looked like 200 people and usac WAS 200 people. That doesn't mean it wasn't a good show or that they should stop racing there though. Maybe it needs some promotion.

It can be difficult to accurately determine the tone of comments made in this format, but I get the impression you are a little pissed off about someone questioning you on the intention of your post. You couldn't manage to get past your irritation from someone who dares to point out something contrary to your perception of open wheel superiority long enough to answer any of the questions I asked. You enjoy one form of racing, not the other. Good for you. Invest your time in supporting that form instead of disparaging another. I am sure you go to plenty of races, so why take the time to criticize those you don't care for? You didn't bother to explain any other reason for making this post, so maybe that was it. Taking the time to come back and edit your post to insinuate that I'm a homosexual or have homosexual feelings is a classy move too. I don't see any point in making it personal.

[old fan]

One bad crowd????????Have you been checked for concussion syndrome?

better check your facts indy car attendance except INDY is non existant

[old fan]

https://www.bing.com/images/search?q=2015+nascar+attendance+figures&view=detailv2&&id=57D0421C4F75D2D2EE9754A30DEE4B534258DCBD&selectedIndex=0&ccid=Rvs0ZSc4&simid=608015302598921074&thid=OIP.M46fb34652738c28d669c978a8b758262o0&ajaxhist=0

[Clayton_Wetter]

what about all the race that indy cars show up and no crowd end thoses also or ever every short track out their also pull the plug on them also , a lot has to be the economy with our outstanding president in charge

You are always putting down NASCAR, why the turn around? Just like to argue? lolololol

Just don't start having Obummer's back,now!!!

[old fan]

just stating the facts that's all just stating the facts

[mudslinger47]

For what ever reason, my DVR boycotted it... so I didn't get to see it, but it must have been a heck of a great show!!!! Kyle swept the weekend, can't get any better then that can ya?

[old fan]

CIRF likes horse face

[CIRF]

For the sake of comparison, I think the crowd at the silver crown race at IRP was even worse than the NASCAR race at the brickyard. NASCAR looked like 200 people and usac WAS 200 people.

Were you at IRP for the Vogler Classic? I was, and the crowd was anemic in size at best. Actually I'm surprised the crowd wasn't smaller. I don't like asphalt racing, especially when the cars competing are far more suited for dirt. The only reason I was there was because the husband of a dear friend was inducted into the USAC Hall of Fame and she asked me and my wife to join her and her group of family and friends to join them to witness the induction. So, you mocking the crowd at IRP in comparison to the taxi cab crowd at Indy is wasted on me.

It can be difficult to accurately determine the tone of comments made in this format, but I get the impression you are a little pissed off about someone questioning you on the intention of your post. You couldn't manage to get past your irritation from someone who dares to point out something contrary to your perception of open wheel superiority long enough to answer any of the questions I asked. I am sure you go to plenty of races, so why take the time to criticize those you don't care for? You didn't bother to explain any other reason for making this post, so maybe that was it. Taking the time to come back and edit your post to insinuate that I'm a homosexual or have homosexual feelings is a classy move too. I don't see any point in making it personal.

Pointing out facts and expressing them is definitely not being pissed or irritated. You really don't display the intellectual where-with-all to be particularly irritating, your phony self righteous sanctimony isn't particularly off putting either, when the source is considered.

Quick wit sometimes is not my personal strong suit and pertinent points of conversation don't reveal themselves immediately, thus the editing. You opened the door wide for a personal reply with your "ball washing" comment. You relinquished the high road at that point. Silly and classless isn't that hard to do and I've seen it practiced by people who are much smarter than me, but you don't appear to be one of them. Whether to raise or lower the level of decorum was/is determined by you. Just stating facts? Yep. Pissed and irritated? Try not to flatter yourself 'cause it's not even close.

I do have a question, however. Are you homosexual? LOL!!!

[CIRF]

Kyle swept the weekend, can't get any better then that can ya?

Sure it can. The winner could somehow learn manners, class, dignity, humility and stop trying to look just like pee wee herman! LOLOL!!!

[Clayton_Wetter]

[Clayton_Wetter]

[Raceready]

The better he runs, the harder NASCAR FALLS !!!!!!!!!!!!!