Making modified racing more affordable in central ky

[HEAVY DUTY]

The tire deal at the big races is something we have to work out, It would be better for the local tracks to have more cars every week than worry about the traveling series once or twice a year at their track. Maybe AMS will do like USMTS which is the most successful traveling mod series, and change their tire rule eventually and grow instead of doing like UMP and shrinking. I intend to run some AMS races but cannot run them all because of the traveling.I know that to be competitive I will have to have new tires to run the AMS and will be more able to afford them if I dont have to buy as many to run weekly shows.
Lets keep this discussion going and get some other racers involved. If we all put our heads together we should be able to make some sensible changes.

[hammond]

Donnie, The Hoosier G60 tire I think would be better, let the tires be siped but DO NOT GROOVE the tire. IMCA told me that they are looking to go solid pull bar by 12 or maybe even mid season 11 . I think as the chip we have gone to 7800 chip and I would like to see that before the main you put all chips in a bag and have the drivers draw a chip so you do knot know whos you got and THE TRACK NEED TO TEST THEM NIGHTY!!. And for cost we should look at the shock deal. Maybe run wb shocks ? But we can not have $300-$400 per shocks on mods.

[MOD44x]

Lets not forget traction control, they will just sink their money into that as well as tire prep. I have yet to see anyone checked for traction control. I don't think tracks will put the extra effort in to police it.

I wouldn't mind the hard tires if I felt like it/we would be properly teched.

[ckyracer00]

I think the drawing chips before the main is a great idea, as far as traction control I remember Harold Hargrove saying at a drivers meeting a few years ago he would have an extra MSD box and he could swap for yours at anytime through out the night thought that was a good idea, we only run there 1 time so do know if it ever happened.

[Banditracecars]

I think the tire deal would be good for local tracks. The only probelm is, you can't just have this going in one area (ex. richmond, lake cumberland, ponderosa) because there are not enough cars in this area to support it. UMP does need to make some needed changes but because they were started around the grassroots of local racing they are still supported by more than 3000 members. That is what makes them stand so strong, they have enough racers over a large area to support their structure!

I do agree with Donnie, we need to come up with something to save our sport!

[modmadman]

Here we go again....it was just a few years ago that the local tracks were gonna save all the local racers money by installing a hard tire rule on the modifieds...DIDNT YOU LEARN ANYTHING FROM THAT AT ALL...It costs us more money now than it did before...if you wanna run the top 10 you better at least have new rear tires every week because all us racers know when the edges are gone the tires are done...You wanna save racers money forget about the tires and worry about where the real money is spent....THE ENGINE...put us all on 604 crate engines AND TECH THEM!!!

[HEAVY DUTY]

My hard tires always held the edges better than my soft tires. They do slow down from heat cycles, Hoosiers are worse than american racers about slowing down.The american racer open comp hard compound stays about the same until it is wore out, but they cut down easier because of the thinner tread and sidewall construction. The G60 is made by Hoosier and American Racer and is the same tread and construction. The crate motors will only work if they have enough power to win without cheating them up.The racetracks do not have the ability, resources, or desire to tech them and keep them legal. Crate motors would cause everyone to have to spend 6000 dollars on a new one or find a used one that may or may not still be legal, which would drive them to another class to use what they already have.The traction control is a valid issue, we are already running against it and that will never change until the tracks and sanctioning bodies start teching it.

[HEAVY DUTY]

What is happening right now is some racers are sitting at home until there is a big show that pays more money because there is no way they can afford to race at a regular show for what the tracks can afford to pay.That will only work for awhile untill the local tracks have to shut down from lack of cars and attendence.Then the series wont have anyplace to race either.The AMS series had to travel all over the place last year to find enough tracks to fill their schedule.I like the AMS and plan to race with them as much as I can,but they only run 1 or 2 nights a year at each track and the track has to worry about what is best for the other 18 or 20 nights they are open.Most of the AMS front runners are buying 2 or more tires at each race anyway, why cant they buy 2 tires to run on the rear at the tracks they are going to. THE G60 Hoosier and American Racer is 20 dollars a tire cheaper than the UMP tire and last 2 to 3 times longer.Less tires to buy, less money to buy the tire, and less motor to be competitive.That is a win win situation for everybody but UMP because UMP gets at least 10 dollars per hoosier EMOD tire whether they are used in UMP or not.That tire money is the reason that UMP is not going to do anything to keep the racers from buying as many tires, and Hoosier sure isnt interested in changing the rules to sell less tires.If you dont think something needs done, just look at the classifieds and see how many racers are selling out completly.

[9modified]

I would love to see this tire change. Gas is going to be over 4.00 a gal this summer and by saving on tires helps me to put more in my tank to get to the track. If we run on the G60 there will be less traction which will help equipment last longer, by not hooking up as hard your engine wear will be a great deal less over a season. You will also use less racing fuel every night of racing. Race fuel 110,112, and 114 is not cheap!! If I can save a couple of gallons a night that adds up. I think this rule should have been put into place a long time ago. I'm Glad Brandon Hardgrove and Joey Tacatt are concerned with racer costs- this says alot about the two guys as promoters.

[HEAVY DUTY]

Lets keep this discussion going.

[dirtmaze3]

Let them run Humpers and sideboards ! Would save on Shocks and Horsepower !

[mudeater18]

I'm all for hard tires only. Even if everything else was equal (speed, wear, price, etc.) it saves us from having to have both compounds mounted. Having fewer wheels saves $$$ as well as the time saved by not switching between races, scaling the car on different sets, grinding extra sets, and cleaning tires that were only on the car for hot laps and maybe a heat race. Less money and less work gets my vote every time.

[carbon fiber]

mor affordable

Its my uderstanding the tires will be 95.00 to the racer.hoosier has 1 and aracer has a g60 that price is needed.All things can be changed- msd boxes-tire softner can be used on any compund-chips can be bypassed-crate engines can e cheated,but the tire construction cannot.We have to put trust in racetracks and series to ck for softner.These tires will result in cheaper engines.Why spend more to race for the same money?.If we try to out spend each other we all will just end up broke.Thanks for trying to help heavy duty mod racing needs cheap tires and engines.

[9modified]

Well said Carbon Fiber!!! I agree with you.

[mudball]

I also agree with tracks running the hard tire rule. Hopefully it would cut cost ,let more racers race and provide closer competition for the fans. The tracks would have to make the time and effort to tech them to keep them legit.