Elkins Results 6-3-11

[let-r-eat]

I was talking about the cars there racing Randy. The cars there racing mostly conform to the old hobby rules without the tires. They just changed tires so they could run. A rulebook coming out 3 weeks after the season starts is pretty subjective. The rules would allow for ALOT more creativity but the stock appearing and OEM wording is really finicky. As you well know, there is no "Real" link in those rules to even brand or OEM? A friend of mine asked if he could run a Mustang *old 4 cylinder car* with a Chevy engine in it and was told NO but the rules don't SAY NO? It speaks of OEM and "Stock Appearing" but doesn't specifically say Ford to Ford or Chevy to Chevy....Nova to Nova Chevelle to Chevelle........matching the frame used. It just says steel block and heads.........It would also help if the body diagram was actually a "STOCK APPEARING" car?

I'm a real stickler when it comes to rules anyway. I don't want someone to build a car "by the rules" with all the time and $ involved and then be told "OH, you can't run that just because its fast? My buddy just wanted to use a cheap junkyard engine he had and but in a car he had to be able to race.....No harm no foul though because the car is still setting in the WEEDS.........

I just like to race and really don't care what anyone else does to a certain extent. Like the 36 Street Stock..he's fast, outclasses the field when he shows, nearly outruns those jigbuilt "cheater" cars with stock appearace. I agree that the street stock field at the moment is not "stellar fast" for the rules available by any stretch of the imagination, but is real competitive for what it is. You could build a RHS headed 14*, Iron eagle tall deck/spread pan rail killer DRYSUMP engine with a Bert tranny ect by those rules. Is Johnny's little 355 with "Saturday Night Special" cam gonna compete? No...So why should Johnny expect to compete? He knows the rules allow more? Why should he raise hell cause he's getting outrun by money? Because that's LIFE!!!! I always like the "taking less and doing more" approach. But also to race one needs "Racing Equipment" Those stock rods, cranks, and pistons are only going to do so much and can lead to a far worse $$$$$$ situation. Let people build good stuff and be creative.

You have a nice car too Randy and it works well, and that it is MAIN thing. But I'm sure you have enough $ in it that it should run good. Quadrajets can be made to run too!! LOL....for the right $$$ anything can be worked up. A good consistent car that uses any engine at all will be there somewhere with a good driver. 5% of the racers will win 85% of all races no matter what the rules.

I just hate to see cars turned away. I would rather see tech "handicap" them someway, ie add weight or something so they can run. A racetrack is for racing not for sending racecars somewhere else......JMO.........I could talk about this subject for days. I just don't like to see rules being used inappropriately by the "TRACK" or by the "RACER." Rules should be just basic guidelines IMO.....then the track uses its discretion to police the competition. Fans don't like to see 15,000 and up powerplants against $50 junkyard stuff.

Look at the $ it takes to even build a decent anything engine in machine work alone? The winners circle isn't worth arguing and fighting about if you've got a mint in your equipment and you just beat Johnny with his $50 junk.

My buddy "OK" car just blew up his $50 junk motor couple weeks ago. Just out there having fun. If you know you can't compete don't complain!!!

[st80]

FYI= Rules have and had been in place before the season started. Posted on Elkinsraceway.net not too hard to find!!

Def. of rule=principle governing conduct: an authoritative principle set forth to guide behavior or action

If your going to stretch the rules why even have them??? Rules are made to keep the playing field as even as possible. The guy that races Elkins every week legal would and should be mad as He!! when his $500 race is won by a cheater car, that just come to Elkins for the big races. I would be proud as hell to win with a Modified in the Street stock class, are you kidding me? And as a fan, I dont want to watch someone win by over half a track or lapping the entire field! BORING.............zzzzzzz
I could see if the infractions were minor and do not affect the handling of the car and were safety related. But these are not the case in any of the dq'd cars over the past few weeks.
And I know for a fact that at least one modified was given the chance to race the car the way it was for the nights events but was asked to make changes before the next race...... But left anyway..........

You would want to race against a chassis car? Handicapped? Lets just let a sprint car run with the latemodels too!! AMAZING

If you cant play by the rules, dont play.

[let-r-eat]

The rules were posted before the season? I beg to differ there. It stated 2010 rules. Then after the first $500 to win race they posted the rules as stated today........We are not talking about racing a sprint car against a late model..........We are talking about racing cars that were allowed to race in the class and have raced this season as well as past seasons. Example:

Last year your car was running street stock class...Car was just a stock type Monte Carlo with a cage..Not cut out, junk yeard shocks/springs ect....you ran good on local nights but when the special races came you were out to lunch...say that 99 car or 03 car from Ohio ect.....They came here raced and won and dominated the races. So local guy wants to build something that will compete. So he goes to work in his garage and works his ass off stripping frame modifying everything to be like 99 or 03 and spends $$ to compete. Comes out this season and starts season then track uses the new rules they posted to bar him from competing. That is the point I'm trying to make. There is NO guarantee that the track is going to DQ anyone from running anything? Anyone who has raced Elkins or anywhere for that matter for any length of time knows this........

For what its worth. The 99 and 03 and other cars that came to Elkins to race are not jig built cars......Really, they have done some homework on street stocks and built cars that there track allows them to run........The KNOB rules were just posted.????? DA

[randy bohan]

well well
now we have generated some interest
do we have any takers to add to the $550 purse?
can we get some LEGAL cars to make the tow for for a north south shootout?
we are probably outgunned ,but it would still be fun to have 5 or 6 show from up north and get this purse up to 700 or 800
st 80 you are armed with facts....you will not get any response to facts
let-r -eat, those motors aren't any good without suspension enhancements and tire packages.
this class is about gettin a somewhat stock suspension and 8" tire to work in unison.
a 350 hp motor will run with a 450 hp motor if the cars are the same suspension wise and have a balanced set up

[Black Flag]

No story to go with reslts???

[let-r-eat]

So your saying with stock suspension and tire rule that a car with 350hp and a car with 700hp are going to be competitive with each other? NO WAY>>>>>>>>

[lightning2597]

I didn't intend to start an arguement on here......... just saying it would be nice for all local area tracks to get on the same page with the same set of rules! (so guys have options to race around a little) IT SEEMS LIKE TRACKS LIKE TO MAKE THEIR RULES FOR THIS CLASS UNIQUE SO THAT THEY CAN DICTATE WHERE GUYS CAN RACE...... BUILD A CAR FOR THIS TRACK....... YOU CAN ONLY RUN HERE!!!!!! ..bs)

As for the chassis cars/emods with fenders......... you are talking/thinking about Tyler County cars .........not Roaring Knob!

I understand some guys don't have the $$$$$ and time to build motors and cars that can compete with some of these cars in question! BUT, don't punish these guys for doing so! (THAT IS WHY THERE IS A PURE STOCK CLASS)

As for lower budget cars running with bigger budget cars / less horse power with more horse power / etc....... NOT TRUE!
Example:
LATEMODEL CLASS........ A guy who is running an old LEAF SPRING CHASSIS........ can not compete with a guy running a BAR CAR! HECK...... it is hard enough to compete with a guy running a 2011 CHASSIS, if you have a CHASSIS 3 or 4 years old! BUT, these guys don't complain or want to disqualify a guy because her has a better car..... they just suck it up and race......save up some money and try to upgrade next year to be more competitive.......(OR)...... run in a lower level LATEMODEL class with less competition!
(I know the Latemodels have nothing to do with Street Stocks....... but you can see my point!)

[randy bohan]

i give...how about puttin up 50 bucks or try to find as sponsor for 50......if i could win an additional couple extra $$$$ i could afford 700 ponies lol...like a famous welfare recipient once said
"IF THE STATE WOULD PAY ME MORE ,I COULD AFFORD TO LIVE BETTER"

So your saying with stock suspension and tire rule that a car with 350hp and a car with 700hp are going to be competitive with each other? NO WAY>>>>>>>>

[let-r-eat]

No arguments here. Just conversation.............Have a beer and set around the campfire type talk. Just agreeing to be disagreeable or disagreeing to be agreeable. lol

Rules talk about Elkins........What, are we losing our minds? Is it really real?

[randy bohan]

unbelievable it is .......rules...following them...checking safety items,it goes on and on and on....this is why you see car counts increasing each week....even got the fans weighing in ... hope to have 20 this week ...spread the word on here and ovdtr.com

No arguments here. Just conversation.............Have a beer and set around the campfire type talk. Just agreeing to be disagreeable or disagreeing to be agreeable. lol

Rules talk about Elkins........What, are we losing our minds? Is it really real?

[randy bohan]

i didn't intend to start an arguement on here......... Just saying it would be nice for all local area tracks to get on the same page with the same set of rules! (so guys have options to race around a little) it seems like tracks like to make their rules for this class unique so that they can dictate where guys can race...... Build a car for this track....... You can only run here!!!!!! ..bs)

as for the chassis cars/emods with fenders......... You are talking/thinking about tyler county cars .........not roaring knob!

I understand some guys don't have the $$$$$ and time to build motors and cars that can compete with some of these cars in question! But, don't punish these guys for doing so! (that is why there is a pure stock class)

as for lower budget cars running with bigger budget cars / less horse power with more horse power / etc....... Not true!
Example:
Latemodel class........ A guy who is running an old leaf spring chassis........ Can not compete with a guy running a bar car! Heck...... It is hard enough to compete with a guy running a 2011 chassis, if you have a chassis 3 or 4 years old! But, these guys don't complain or want to disqualify a guy because her has a better car..... They just suck it up and race......save up some money and try to upgrade next year to be more competitive.......(or)...... Run in a lower level latemodel class with less competition!

(i know the latemodels have nothing to do with street stocks....... but you can see my point!)

no.................