Jackie Boggs nailed for tires not meeting benchmark

[Barbecueboy]

Most all of us that get checked know it Billet, but the majority on here don't understand or just don't care. They just want to beat up the tracks, the promoters, the tire dealer, UPS on shipping, the labs, and the other racers for "soiling" the track. They are blaming everyone EXCEPT the teams that get caught with an illegal tire. The teams that have them come back "missing" something from the benchmark, need to quit putting their tires in an oven before the mount them and go race. Everyone is looking for an edge. Preheating tires may give you 1 but it's messing with the tire just like adding tire softener. Adding something or taking away something. It still won't meet the benchmark either way. Therefore the tire is illegal.....

I don't think anybody here doesn't think tire cheating goes on in some camps......and I don't think anybody here doesn't think some of those eldora guys did in fact cheat em up.

The camel back breaker was who and how many and then the whole benchmark thing.....this same lab has been involved with bad benchmark rulings before, so it's not like it's something new.

Inspectors are not above being inspected themselves..........which is really all this suit is about.

Wrg, eldora says one thing, drivers say another...........the impass will be settled by a fair and impartial process that has no vested interest on one side or the other.

[Barbecueboy]

And 15 brand new user names

Great for a lol.........

[Bob Hubbard]

Bloomer said * de-facing * .....Which mean the number on the tire doesn't match the contents .... I heard this theory that someone is making tires that looks like a legal tire with the correct makings .... So its not that racers are juicing a tire after they get it ....Its a better tire already ....

[71PRPFan]

Remember when Jackie won the Lucas show at Portsmouth?? Scott was long gone a late caution came out and Jackie came from 3rd or 4th on top to seal the deal. That answered my suspicion

Uhm he ran 3rd the whole race. Bloomer was losing fuel pressure that weekend and Francis rolled into third with a flat tire. Scott even said so

[Barbecueboy]

I worked in a lab at a company that made wheels for GM. We would go out and take a sample out of each casting machine every eight hours and out of each furnace every two hours. We would analyze each sample. There were benchmarks but most of the time each sample was a little different than the last. As long as they were inside said benchmarks nothing was said. But some of the alloys were more important than others. If one of the less important alloys was not hitting the standard it was just brushed off from the front office and nothing was said. Now what if that has happened at Hoosier and now its come back to haunt them? Do you think that they would admit to that? I think not.

I'm sure every Hoosier plant in the world has the strictest of benchmarks and none of them are ever compromised in any way......especially China.....everybody knows of their stellar quality control checks and balances.

Your point is valid dobber.........not sure if that's what happened in this deal or not but it certainly casts doubt on the process when all they are looking for is if it passed a benchmark or not.

Reminds me of the old computer science term....." Garbage in, garbage out"

[Barbecueboy]

Uhm he ran 3rd the whole race. Bloomer was losing fuel pressure that weekend and Francis rolled into third with a flat tire. Scott even said so

Never ever bring facts or logic into a 4m discussion on tires............you will be relegated to tin foil hat status.

[Barbecueboy]

Bloomer said * de-facing * .....Which mean the number on the tire doesn't match the contents .... I heard this theory that someone is making tires that looks like a legal tire with the correct makings .... So its not that racers are juicing a tire after they get it ....Its a better tire already ....

Bootleg hoosiers??? Interesting?

Even I hadn't heard that one yet........boy wouldn't that just be a Pandora's box of treasures if proven to be true.

[kidrock]

Most all of us that get checked know it Billet, but the majority on here don't understand or just don't care. They just want to beat up the tracks, the promoters, the tire dealer, UPS on shipping, the labs, and the other racers for "soiling" the track. They are blaming everyone EXCEPT the teams that get caught with an illegal tire. The teams that have them come back "missing" something from the benchmark, need to quit putting their tires in an oven before the mount them and go race. Everyone is looking for an edge. Preheating tires may give you 1 but it's messing with the tire just like adding tire softener. Adding something or taking away something. It still won't meet the benchmark either way. Therefore the tire is illegal.....

And there you have it say no more!!!!!!!!

[Cardirt0]

Go stick you hand on the RR right after a 100 lap race..(not a good Thing) let them pull off track and scale then stick your hand just do it.. Why not you will burn your hand.. I mean Blisters on your Hand...Now If heat changes the benchmark..(now MADE up numbers) say you got a tire at 18 be for the race and 18 to 22 is ok..20 laps Yellow, 30 laps yellow,20 laps yellow, 30 laps race over 4 time that tire is hot that it will burn your hand..now if heat lowers the Benchmark that tire is NO good.. How did he cheat...
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Now If you in a race going hard for 40 laps.. and a yellow come out and its a long one.. The tire glazes over thats what a driver said he calls it..Thats why you see the driver gunning it swaying back and fort trying to burn off the glaze..He says if you treat the tire, It will not glaze over..thats why you see some cars fall back on the restart tire dont hook up...He told me if you see a driver not burning off the tire and then takes off good after each restart there is a 50% his tires are DOPED..The tire will not glaze up if its doped...This is just what i was told By a big name driver ..I will not say his name...

[a25rjr]

Most all of us that get checked know it Billet, but the majority on here don't understand or just don't care. They just want to beat up the tracks, the promoters, the tire dealer, UPS on shipping, the labs, and the other racers for "soiling" the track. They are blaming everyone EXCEPT the teams that get caught with an illegal tire. The teams that have them come back "missing" something from the benchmark, need to quit putting their tires in an oven before the mount them and go race. Everyone is looking for an edge. Preheating tires may give you 1 but it's messing with the tire just like adding tire softener. Adding something or taking away something. It still won't meet the benchmark either way. Therefore the tire is illegal.....

Im with BBCB on this. Ive been prepping tires for the last 15 years. I have a pretty good understanding of chemistry too based on my job. So I don't understand how a test comes back and there are chemical/s missing. There would have to be other chemicals present that made the one deficient.

And lets not forget, we're talking- parts per million. That's a very very small particle size. What range is allowed before its declared illegal? That's what needs to be made public by the Series- how much gray area are they allowing?

[Car Biz]

Bloomer said * de-facing * .....Which mean the number on the tire doesn't match the contents .... I heard this theory that someone is making tires that looks like a legal tire with the correct makings .... So its not that racers are juicing a tire after they get it ....Its a better tire already ....

Purvis did that YEARS ago that is nothing new. Then was grinding the numbers off. When that could not be done anymore then put silicone over the numbers so you could not see the compound or feel the number of the compound after the race was over in the pits or at the scales.

[Barbecueboy]

Im with BBCB on this. Ive been prepping tires for the last 15 years. I have a pretty good understanding of chemistry too based on my job. So I don't understand how a test comes back and there are chemical/s missing. There would have to be other chemicals present that made the one deficient.

And lets not forget, we're talking- parts per million. That's a very very small particle size. What range is allowed before its declared illegal? That's what needs to be made public by the Series- how much gray area are they allowing?

Mine was more a question than anything.........

If baking it would remove something , wouldn't a long run heat cycle do exactly the same thing?

[a25rjr]

Mine was more a question than anything.........

If baking it would remove something , wouldn't a long run heat cycle do exactly the same thing?

You would think......We generally only heat our tires to 90-110 degrees in our hotbox/rotisserie.

[dirtdobber45]

Mine was more a question than anything.........If baking it would remove something , wouldn't a long run heat cycle do exactly the same thing?

You would think......We generally only heat our tires to 90-110 degrees in our hotbox/rotisserie.

Wouldnt it just harden it like a scuff tire?

[MasterSbilt_Racer]

Mine was more a question than anything.........

If baking it would remove something , wouldn't a long run heat cycle do exactly the same thing?

Not necessarily. On the track, maybe it gets to 220 degrees. What if you bake at 400? Different compounds have different vaporization temps.