UMP / HOOSIER Tire Issues. Racers / Promoters Why 20's instead of 40's?

[old fan]

(not a nice word)(not a nice word)(not a nice word)(not a nice word) only 43 lates under UMP rules 2k to win 75 mods 3k to win nice format also lates first or second in the dash nothng new there but every one else runs a b main,mods heat winner moves on in heat every one else b or c main

[old fan]

crickets crickets and more crickets

[old fan]

this rule concept is not new wissotta has been doing it according there website since 2015

[t.nie]

Hoosier doesn't want to compete with AR. Hoosier likes having guaranteed income. For what its worth, and it was many years ago, a guy from the Midwest went to a race in the south and his crew chief said to me "we were the best of the Hoosier guys and qualified 9th. The rest were on AR and we just couldn't run with them."

Two companies means competition, racers are going to use whatever is superior. And to make a superior tire (assuming the other companies tires are better) means R&D, and R&D is money spent, cutting into profit.

The last thing Hoosier wants is competition. And they have spent a lot of money in court making sure their binding agreements are legal and binding to keep competition out of the tire choice in as much racing as they can control.

So basically while it's a great debate, people are kind of stuck with whatever rules Hoosier decides is in Hoosier's best interest where Hoosier is in control.

[old fan]

wake up tnie UMP has always been hoosier what major sanctioning body for late models run american racers also and the sanctioning bodies are in control; not hoosier american racer can't cut the mustard with quanity of tires either for 13 classes now can they american racers are allowed in woolms but guess what is winning and he would be winning on any tire

[MasterSbilt_Racer]

wake up tnie UMP has always been hoosier what major sanctioning body for late models run american racers also and the sanctioning bodies are in control; not hoosier american racer can't cut the mustard with quanity of tires either for 13 classes now can they american racers are allowed in woolms but guess what is winning and he would be winning on any tire

You edited this. I still can't read it. American Racer is a superior tire depending on the track in question and the comparable compounds you choose to compare. The 56 AR is vastly superior to the Hoosier 1640/LM40.

The Hoosier can't heat cycle for crap. The 56 just keeps going and going until you wear it out.

[old fan]

really no one in woolms has done well with it and they have a open tire rule most of the season and its not about being superior but having enough and delivering enough tires for i think last count was 13 classes

[MasterSbilt_Racer]

really no one in woolms has done well with it and they have a open tire rule most of the season and its not about being superior but having enough and delivering enough tires for i think last count was 13 classes

13 classes? This is a LM board. No top WoO team runs AR. Of course it hasn't won. Plus, the issue I described is for second and third use. Not a new tire. I have actually won on 3 year old ARs.

UMP doesn't even have the balls to throw out a World 100 "winner" with an illegal LR suspension. They are useless. You are defending the indefensible.

[Barbecueboy]

crickets crickets and more crickets

Did somebody ask the question of what planet you actually came from???^^^^^^^^

[Barbecueboy]

Best bet would be for the Sanctioning Bodies to work directly with Hoosier and American Racer and have them only produce Late Model tires in 3 or 4 compounds and tread patterns.

Then you can have an open tire rule, or make it no grooving and siping, only buffing.

You mean like a race ready tire?

I like that idea.

[old fan]

Case bolt runs American racer and yes it's a lm board but you have deal with sanction to race suspension wise it has to be illegal and you forgot about lucas

[Barbecueboy]

Boomhower be trippin this morning^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

[chupp n bloomer fan]

13 classes? This is a LM board. No top WoO team runs AR. Of course it hasn't won. Plus, the issue I described is for second and third use. Not a new tire. I have actually won on 3 year old ARs.

UMP doesn't even have the balls to throw out a World 100 "winner" with an illegal LR suspension. They are useless. You are defending the indefensible.

I'm afraid to ask, but what LR illegal suspension are you talking about?

And 100%, they shouldn't mandate Hoosiers. It's all about $$$$. AR is a good tire. But money talks.

[chupp n bloomer fan]

Boomhower be trippin this morning^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

You talked about his beloved UMP and Hoosier. It's on like Donkey Kong.

[Barbecueboy]

would be great if Yokohama would jump into the tire game for DLM.......or someone similar.

Anytime there is a monopoly it's only good for the monopolizer............the monopolized are reduced to sheep that must follow the rest of the heard.

Some good healthy tire competition would be a nice change of pace...imo.