Eldora lawsuit

[Barbecueboy]

I really don't know what to think anymore on the scale deal..........just by using a tiny bit of logic I could see it both ways...but everybody knows logic doesn't always apply in a court of law.

My beef was always with the tire scenario.......and they are trying to improve that finally.

Small steps are better than no steps IMO......

[Barbecueboy]

Does it not seem odd that this lawsuit over the scale incident was promised for almost a year, yet not filed until the tire deal? Surely if there was merit enough for that alone it would have been filed long ago. I'm not saying he won't win, the court system seems like a gamble these days no matter what the circumstances. Under the right circumstances, if you throw enough accusations at something you may create an image of that person or place in which can win you the case. You can also get the right judge or jury that can win you the case. Heck, OJ Simpson was found not guilty of murder....... lol

Scale certification really means nothing in essence. If you have your scale certified using 2500lbs it is only guaranteed to be within a certain percentage at 2500 lbs. When you weigh something that weighs anything but 2500lbs on that scale, the error percentage is higher. So, say the scale at eldora was certified (idk if it actually was or not) what would you want it calibrated at? they race sprint cars that are 1400lbs and street stocks that prolly weigh around 3500lbs and several between. The scale is not going to be accurate for someone in this example, certified or not.

Yes, we disagree, but what fun would it be if everyone thought the same way? lol

I think scale certification are based on tolerances by percentage of actual weight being measured......could be wrong on that though.

Don't think it would really matter what each of the cars weighed per class as long as the scale could handle the maximum weight.


If they allow for a ( 1% tolerance as an example) car weighing 2000 lbs will have a lower total weight tolerance number than a car weighing 3000 pounds......ill be the first to admit though, I'm not real sure about how it all should go moving forward.

[SLIDING SIDEWAYS]

Lucas oil says you CAN NOT protest tires. That is to cover you know who!

[just dust]

what does track scales prevail mean that weekend he had 3 days to make sure it made track scales numbers but he was to lazy to find out plus he had to make weight earlier in the weekend to make the Amain correct

Track scales prevail nothing in a court of law . Eldora don't make the law . The issue
of a scam is the where the law comes in . Now it may not be a scam . but the judge
will decide . ( like someone said , the law trumps tony . ) and this very well maybe
a case for the law . Here's one for you, ask about the 50/50 money , The gaming
commission will tell about the law . See if Tony's rule is trump then . Even though
Tony owns the property the law is the law .

[Barbecueboy]

Track scales prevail nothing in a court of law . Eldora don't make the law . The issue
of a scam is the where the law comes in . Now it may not be a scam . but the judge
will decide . ( like someone said , the law trumps tony . ) and this very well maybe
a case for the law . Here's one for you, ask about the 50/50 money , The gaming
commission will tell about the law . See if Tony's rule is trump then . Even though
Tony owns the property the law is the law .

I always wondered how all that huge 50/50 was handled.......tax wise.

Figured it would have something to do wth the gaming commission but never was real sure.

[zach51]

Maybe somebody has already mentioned it, but obviously the tire situation is what set this suit off. Bloomer merely included the scale situation just for fun and another legal dig at Eldora. And for the record, I don't care who wins. It isn't affecting my life either way. Maybe Bloomer can go back to running Hooters Pro Cup on Eldora weekends since he was so good in that series. Oh wait, they don't exist anymore.

[Clayton_Wetter]

what does track scales prevail mean that weekend he had 3 days to make sure it made track scales numbers but he was to lazy to find out plus he had to make weight earlier in the weekend to make the Amain correct

The track had many days to have certified calibrated scales FANG. Now put a sock in it.

[Bubstr]

Quote Originally Posted by flagone View Post
Exactly. You made weight on the scale and had no issue with its accuracy.

You know what? I think that way of thinking is totally lacking.

I believe this way of thinking is dead on. Making weight on the track scales is a condition of entry. It should be checked by any responsible race team before the race and if there is a discrepancy, it should be sighted at that time. Not after your ballast fell off or was forgotten to be installed before the race. These scales here available to all the racers before and in between races that evening. There is no good excuse for weighing light that night. The law suit is a Weasel way of doing things and Scott did more to damage his reputation by filing, it than WRG did by disqualifying him.

[old fan]

no making the correct weight before hitting the track if you think they weigh 2300 lbs at the beginning of the race I HAVE A BRIDGE TO SELL YOU

[old fan]

Just wondering, does Eldora or WRG, have some kind of arbitration rule in their rule book? Most do and if so, it makes you wonder how much time, these 4 will get for that infraction and will they take that to court also? When you play hardball, everyone plays hardball. These guys may never race at Eldora, WOO or WRG again and Eldora would be happy with that. Do you want to do business with anyone that is litigious? Do these racers want to do business with anyone so unfair in their rules? They will be missed, but only a couple days a year. It does make you wonder, why TS lawyers haven't filed for a change of venue. This happens in Ohio and it would drive the cost up on the plaintiffs. Sheppard was probably the smart one of the five and got out of the suit.

arbitration has already past

[dirtdobber45]

Quote Originally Posted by flagone View PostExactly. You made weight on the scale and had no issue with its accuracy.I believe this way of thinking is dead on. Making weight on the track scales is a condition of entry. It should be checked by any responsible race team before the race and if there is a discrepancy, it should be sighted at that time. Not after your ballast fell off or was forgotten to be installed before the race. These scales here available to all the racers before and in between races that evening. There is no good excuse for weighing light that night. The law suit is a Weasel way of doing things and Scott did more to damage his reputation by filing, it than WRG did by disqualifying him.

Its a little fishy that he made weight the first two days and not the last. I could see it if he forgot to put all the fuel in it but it looks like he wouldve ran out before the end of the race. Its a little fishy on whats been going on at Eldora the last couple of years...maybe Tony or WRG is picking and choosing like their the puppet master..lol

[old fan]

no maybe he messed up and playing it to close to weight limit will get you burnt

[chopter]

Does it not seem odd that this lawsuit over the scale incident was promised for almost a year, yet not filed until the tire deal? Surely if there was merit enough for that alone it would have been filed long ago. I'm not saying he won't win, the court system seems like a gamble these days no matter what the circumstances. Under the right circumstances, if you throw enough accusations at something you may create an image of that person or place in which can win you the case. You can also get the right judge or jury that can win you the case. Heck, OJ Simpson was found not guilty of murder....... lol

Scale certification really means nothing in essence. If you have your scale certified using 2500lbs it is only guaranteed to be within a certain percentage at 2500 lbs. When you weigh something that weighs anything but 2500lbs on that scale, the error percentage is higher. So, say the scale at eldora was certified (idk if it actually was or not) what would you want it calibrated at? they race sprint cars that are 1400lbs and street stocks that prolly weigh around 3500lbs and several between. The scale is not going to be accurate for someone in this example, certified or not.

Yes, we disagree, but what fun would it be if everyone thought the same way? lol

Just guessing here but they waited to file til after the scales were tested again waiting for the results.

[kidrock]

Its a little fishy that he made weight the first two days and not the last. I could see it if he forgot to put all the fuel in it but it looks like he wouldve ran out before the end of the race. Its a little fishy on whats been going on at Eldora the last couple of years...maybe Tony or WRG is picking and choosing like their the puppet master..lol

That's a bunch of BS everyone else made weight. If more had not made weight then I could see that but, that wasn't the case. Kind of funny how everyone else made weight but, now all of a sudden the scales must be off. I don't buy it. To say they did it on purpose because it was Scott that's a far stretch don't you think.

[flagone]

Now I remember why I don't offer many opinions on this board anymore. Sad.