Eldora lawsuit

[Clayton_Wetter]

Should be a good show. I like it is starting at 6PM and I believe it is all points and no qualifying which I do like too

They will be qualifying the Mods though? Up to 90 of them could be there.

[a25rjr]

Heck a25rjr, deer season already started here. Muzzleloader started this past Saturday and goes thru this coming Sunday. The problem is I had to go in Monday and have more stents put in. The 3 I got in August didn't fix it. I'm stuck at home all week and can't do anything. I have my RV all fueled up but can't go anywhere. Had all intentions of going to Whynot with 99F crew but I've orders not to drive. Guess I'll hang out here and watch nascrap and the Outdoor Channel. LOL

Bow season started about 2 weeks ago, but my passion is chasing them with my hounds! I enjoy sitting in a stand but theres nothing like hearing them hounds!

If you cant drive, hire you a driver..lol

Hope everything works out for ya!

[TS FAN]

They will be qualifying the Mods though? Up to 90 of them could be there.

Oh, I didn't know that. Last year they had about 65. First year they had over ninety. They had so many races that night between the two series, my head was spinning by the time they got the mod feature.

[dirtdobber45]

MY MY MY, we sure do have a bunch of WISHFUL THINKING know it alls, assembled here!!!So who wants to place bets that it's really over???

Sounds more like a Perry Mason convention going on...lol

[dirtdobber45]

Bow season started about 2 weeks ago, but my passion is chasing them with my hounds! I enjoy sitting in a stand but theres nothing like hearing them hounds!If you cant drive, hire you a driver..lolHope everything works out for ya!

We only use hounds on bear and hogs.

[SLIDING SIDEWAYS]

We only use hounds on bear and hogs.

You dont need a hound on them. Once they see you they will turn the other way

[calverton]

58 is the forecast, sunny and starting at 4:30 I read.We are still leaning on being there.

are you going to fall over again like you did last year

[a25rjr]

We only use hounds on bear and hogs.

Then you know what a good sound to hear a pack of hounds chasing an animal! We're all houndsmen, regardless of the game!

[lazermod3]

Sounds more like a Perry Mason convention going on...lol

Yes!,with Paul Drake doing the investigating.

[calverton]

Oh, I didn't know that. Last year they had about 65. First year they had over ninety. They had so many races that night between the two series, my head was spinning by the time they got the mod feature.

try three nights in a row like that but some of the best you see all year long

[calverton]

“We’re happy this is over,” said DIRTcar Racing COO Tom Deery. “It is a waste of resources that should have been invested in the sport rather than damaging it and polarizing fans.”

[Barbecueboy]

Because if UMP didn't take the sample that Scott used then there is not chain of custody. It is just Scott saying he took the sample from the tire they took the sample from. As far as I know UMP takes two samples, and neither sample goes to the driver. I could be wrong, that is just from what I've been told in conversations with drivers who have raced Mods with UMP at bigger events. They could have a different process for SLM, it could have been the track doing the Testing, etc. I'm not claiming to be an expert on it. If that is the case then no matter what a lawyer can shoot holes in that second sample, there is no chain of custody, UMP didn't sign off on it, etc. I'm not saying Scott is lying, I'm just saying that I don't think it will matter in court that he got a second sample checked independently.

I'm not sure they want to use that whole chain of custody theory.......considering holes can be shot in the chain of custody on the tires the drivers bought too.

Slippery slope

[vande077]

I'm not sure they want to use that whole chain of custody theory.......considering holes can be shot in the chain of custody on the tires the drivers bought too.

Slippery slope

no slippery slope. No difference than chain of custody in any other thing (lab samples of blood for example). Someone can say "I've never taken a drug in my life", have blood drawn, labeled and chain of custody followed and the blood test come back positive for a drug. How can that happen you ask? easy, the person who said "I've never take a drug in my life" either lied, didn't know they took a drug (it happens), or don't consider what they are using to be harmful even though it may be on the "banned substances list". Happens all the time to people in their jobs. That's why they always ask you what you have been taking (even Tylenol or any other over the counter drug). I love when a pro athlete gives the excuse of "well, I didn't tell them I had a cold and had been taking Nyquil, I didn't realize it had banned substances in it".

[Barbecueboy]

The slippery slope is that in jeffs senario the chain of custody in the two samples can just as easily be argued in the chain of custody of how the tires got to the racer and who may or may not have come in contact with them.......they don't know.


All your points are valid on the drug testing , but aren't even close to being relevant in this tire discussion.

And you also left out the part about any mistakes that may have been made by the lab, in the collection process, bad benchmarks etc.........it does happen, precedence has been set already.

[Barbecueboy]

no slippery slope. No difference than chain of custody in any other thing (lab samples of blood for example). Someone can say "I've never taken a drug in my life", have blood drawn, labeled and chain of custody followed and the blood test come back positive for a drug. How can that happen you ask? easy, the person who said "I've never take a drug in my life" either lied, didn't know they took a drug (it happens), or don't consider what they are using to be harmful even though it may be on the "banned substances list". Happens all the time to people in their jobs. That's why they always ask you what you have been taking (even Tylenol or any other over the counter drug). I love when a pro athlete gives the excuse of "well, I didn't tell them I had a cold and had been taking Nyquil, I didn't realize it had banned substances in it".

If you are a pro athlete and you aren't allowed to take NyQuil when your sick like every other adult in America, shouldn't something be done about the rule?