Eldora lawsuit

[Hovlane]

Ya I don't think I would bring up a issue about chain of custody with Bloomquist's sample if the chain of custody with the sample UMP took was just as bad. I can't believe how poorly the UMP samples were handle. I sure hope UMP didn't consult their " ARMY OF ATTORNEYS " on their procedures. Because of this Bloomquist can't prove the sample came from the same tire and UMP can't prove that it didn't. What a sh*t show from everybody involved. JUST LET IT BE OVER!!!!!!

[vande077]

The slippery slope is that in jeffs senario the chain of custody in the two samples can just as easily be argued in the chain of custody of how the tires got to the racer and who may or may not have come in contact with them.......they don't know.


All your points are valid on the drug testing , but aren't even close to being relevant in this tire discussion.

And you also left out the part about any mistakes that may have been made by the lab, in the collection process, bad benchmarks etc.........it does happen, precedence has been set already.

So, you know chain of custody on over the counter drugs you are taking in the event you fail a drug test at work?? That argument of the tire itself needing chain of custody is laughable, it's a commodity. If you think the people you are buying from are doing stuff they shouldn't, you shop somewhere else. (and most tire distributors have just as much (or more) to lose. Team owners/drivers take that risk of someone messing with it (just like anything else you buy everywhere. With the exception of maybe prescription drugs, pharmacists have to account for everything or lose their license). I don't know who may or may not have come in contact with the over the counter drugs I buy for a cold for myself or my kids. All I can do is "hope" that they haven't been tampered with (remember the Tylenol Scare in the 1980's anyone, tamperproof caps/lids/seals mean zippo).

I didn't see anything in their complaint (that they withdrew) about mistakes by the lab, collection process, bad benchmarks....because they weren't arguing those were an issue at all. The only quote was from Scott where he claims the 2 samples had different results. That is HIS CLAIM, from what has been seen publicly there is nothing to support that claim.

[vande077]

If you are a pro athlete and you aren't allowed to take NyQuil when your sick like every other adult in America, shouldn't something be done about the rule?

Nope, the rule is in place, the players (in the NFL's case, their Union), agreed to the rules in order to participate (gee, sounds a lot like a rulebook....). The burden is on the Players to abide by the rules, the NFL's burden is to enforce the rules.

So, in summary. The WRG/UMP has a rulebook, the teams/drivers agree to follow that rulebook when they sign in at the gate, it is WRG/UMP have a duty (to all the other teams/drivers) to enforce that rulebook. If a tire (or fuel, or chassis, or shocks, or anything else in the rulebook) fails to fall within the rules, it is their DUTY to enforce the rules / punishment defined in the rulebook.

But, everyone would rather point fingers instead of just moving on and learning from a mistake (intentional or not).

[Barbecueboy]

So the nfl says its players can't take NyQuil when they are sick like every other adult in the USA and the rule is still good????

On that note, I'm out.

[vande077]

Good or bad has nothing to do with it. It's about having rules and enforcing them.

WRG/UMP did exactly what the competitors signed on for when they entered the event.

[Barbecueboy]

Ok , I'm back in..............It's about having rules that are enforceable...just sayin

[W2Racing09]

The slippery slope is that in jeffs senario the chain of custody in the two samples can just as easily be argued in the chain of custody of how the tires got to the racer and who may or may not have come in contact with them.......they don't know.


All your points are valid on the drug testing , but aren't even close to being relevant in this tire discussion.

And you also left out the part about any mistakes that may have been made by the lab, in the collection process, bad benchmarks etc.........it does happen, precedence has been set already.

Tire samples that UMP (or any sanction for that matter) takes are sealed in bags and signed. The lab will not test a sample that arrives unsealed. Unless Bloomquist immediately took the sample off his tire (while a UMP official was standing there) and put it in his own evidence bag, sealed it and had the UMP Official sign and then sign himself then the Chain of Custody is not equal. (or in the case of Bloomquist's sample, it does not exist).

[Barbecueboy]

Tire samples that UMP (or any sanction for that matter) takes are sealed in bags and signed. The lab will not test a sample that arrives unsealed. Unless Bloomquist immediately took the sample off his tire (while a UMP official was standing there) and put it in his own evidence bag, sealed it and had the UMP Official sign and then sign himself then the Chain of Custody is not equal. (or in the case of Bloomquist's sample, it does not exist).

It's been said that ump took two samples..........and one was wrong and one was correct.

Is that not correct now?

It's actually been discussed in this very thread.


If Scott himself just sent it off to blue ridge labs then I agree with you 100%.....in either case, I'm sure blue ridge labs will have that information on who sent what, the dates and times etc.......it wouldn't be that hard to find out and then dismiss or confirm.

[W2Racing09]

It's been said that ump took two samples..........and one was wrong and one was correct.

Is that not correct now?

It's actually been discussed in this very thread.


If Scott himself just sent it off to blue ridge labs then I agree with you 100%.....in either case, I'm sure blue ridge labs will have that information on who sent what, the dates and times etc.......it wouldn't be that hard to find out and then dismiss or confirm.

If the second sample was from UMP then yeah there is something up. I'm under the impression that the second UMP sample is not the sample that Scott is referring to in the write up about the Lawsuit announcement. In my opinion there would be no reason for UMP to take a second sample from the tire if they still moved forward with suspensions after a second result is different than the first. Everything I've read eludes to Scott taking the sample himself after he found out it came back to UMP hot and getting a second opinion. While that is probably what I would do in his shoes too (just to see for myself) I don't think it will hold up in court.

Again I could be wrong, if the second sample Scott is referencing in that write up is from UMP then I would say it was A) ignorant to bother taking a second sample if it won't change anything when/if it comes back clean and B) It would be even more ignorant to tell the drivers you sent in two samples and they came back with differing results. I can't imagine you can just call Blue Ridge and they will tell you their findings regarding a client (UMP). So in that situation it would have been UMP telling Scott themselves which would be very stupid (I'm not saying it isn't shady of them either way, but if you are going to be shady don't incriminate yourself).

[Clayton_Wetter]

are you going to fall over again like you did last year

Never did fall, first of all. Now are you going to go poof like you did last week?

[Bubstr]

I object!!! Here say. Cousin Vinny, wouldn't let this go on in his court room. He would call an expert witness with nice legs and explain Chevrolet didn't offer a 327 in 1957.

[calverton]

Never did fall, first of all. Now are you going to go poof like you did last week?

did I go poof, that's right you have to move around some what to fall you 've been on your gov't posterior

[ptown]

did I go poof, that's right you have to move around some what to fall you 've been on your gov't posterior

Are you on double secret probation?

[calverton]

never heard of that one are a ---- all your life

[chupp n bloomer fan]

I don't remember Jesus being implicated in the tire cheating scandal. Did I miss something



I thought the same thing after the read. Sounds like they must have gotten Louis Tully to represent them.

Because I'm implying ptown is Mr. Perfect.