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  • big88fan
    Senior Member
    • Feb 2010
    • 386

    #91
    There is a big difference in seats that meet the sfi spec and one that is certified with the sticker. I have kirkey full containment seats, roughly 1000 bucks and they are not sfi certified.

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    • zeroracing
      Senior Member
      • May 2007
      • 1014

      #92
      Vande077, wow, I did not figure they had a certified one for near that price. That said I am one of the "any brand but kirkey guys" after seeing the cheaper ones fold up easily about a decade ago. A lot has changed and they seem to build a good seat, but just have a "stigma" around our shop.


      All of that said, we will just avoid series that require it this season for the most part. I have a new custom butler built that is a great seat, just spent $ 1600 on and is very safe, no sticker though. Luckily our local series is not mandating it. I was also told by some that the series are discussing the rule and may go to a standard full containment rule.
      Last edited by zeroracing; 11-11-2016, 10:09 PM.

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      • Krooser
        Senior Member
        • Nov 2012
        • 3117

        #93
        New SFI firesuits coming for 2018....
        Attached Files
        Member of the Luxemburg Speedway Hall of Fame
        Class of 2019

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        • MasterSbilt_Racer
          Senior Member
          • May 2007
          • 14324

          #94
          Originally posted by vande077 View Post
          I thought it was a Kirkey but he sold it already when he quit racing to someone else.

          But here's a link to Kirkey's website for one that costs under $1200 new (granted it's the sprint car model and not late model, but it tells me they are out there for much less than $3400)

          https://www.circletracksupply.com/ki...seat.html?cat=
          They claim it is the first aluminum seat to meet the spec. Probably got ahead of the game and maybe even attempted to influence the rule adoption. I think it means they can be reasonable price, but not really available yet.
          Modern Day Spec Wedge Racing

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          • cutman
            Senior Member
            • May 2010
            • 1005

            #95
            Originally posted by Krooser View Post
            New SFI firesuits coming for 2018....
            Let me hear you cluck 😂

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            • chupp n bloomer fan
              Senior Member
              • May 2007
              • 11526

              #96
              Originally posted by Krooser View Post
              New SFI firesuits coming for 2018....
              I can hear that Charlie Daniels song now. Good movie. Him and Lonnie made some uh magic off set too.
              Up in the air who my next “favorite” driver is. Really losing hope on Bloomer getting anywhere back to “normal”.

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              • Stede Bonnet
                Senior Member
                • Sep 2016
                • 325

                #97
                Originally posted by BTExpress View Post
                Seriously?????? Why won't you have "everyone" of these safety rules? ... no containment seats, etc. It makes no sense not to have these items.
                There is some evidence that suggest some FC seats may be causing concussions, that's why. I prefer NOT to have early onset dementia from hitting holes in the track and have to retire in my 40's because somebody knee-jerk reacted and made me run the seat he liked without doing his due diligence or even consulting me, since I'm paying... I'm a bigger guy so getting in and out is more difficult anyway. So now they have us good and trapped in the car, but still refuse to address the #800 gorilla in the room. Cars flip and turn over way too much and exiting the car is getting more and more difficult under optimal conditions. It wasn't like this before 1998.

                Originally posted by calverton View Post
                Charlie floyd and shane unger need i say more
                Shane Unger died from internal injuries, not a broken neck, not head trauma. So no full containment 39.2 bladder anything would NOT have done anything for him...
                Last edited by Stede Bonnet; 11-12-2016, 02:24 PM.
                Politically Incorrect.

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                • grt74
                  Senior Member
                  • Jul 2009
                  • 1380

                  #98
                  Originally posted by Stede Bonnet View Post
                  There is some evidence that suggest some FC seats may be causing concussions, that's why. I prefer NOT to have early onset dementia from hitting holes in the track and have to retire in my 40's because somebody knee-jerk reacted and made me run the seat he liked without doing his due diligence or even consulting me, since I'm paying... I'm a bigger guy so getting in and out is more difficult anyway. So now they have us good and trapped in the car, but still refuse to address the #800 gorilla in the room. Cars flip and turn over way too much and exiting the car is getting more and more difficult under optimal conditions. It wasn't like this before 1998.



                  Shane Unger died from internal injuries, not a broken neck, not head trauma. So no full containment 39.2 bladder anything would NOT have done anything for him...
                  a containment seat would have helped i would think(again I'm not claiming to be an expert), the shoulders would have caught him, its going to take building a car with a bigger (not a nice word)(not a nice word)(not a nice word)(not a nice word)pit area, along with a raised roof, but this will take time, the standard containment seat will work but along with all safety measures, you need to know how they work(you need the helmet really close to the head area of the seats it may take mods to the seat) I've have been talking with the powers to be and they are seriously considering having a measurement from the floor to the bottom of the halo and a 3 inch to the helmet rule, this will require fab work on all your older cars,I really honestly believe 99.9% of the dirt late models the helmet is to close to the roll cage or the roof(in a roll over there head is hitting the ground, hell in topless races I've seen helmets sticking above the halo,frigin nuts)
                  Last edited by grt74; 11-12-2016, 07:06 PM.

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                  • Brian Gray
                    Senior Member
                    • Feb 2012
                    • 1102

                    #99
                    At the rate we're going the cars will be completely revamped by next season, I foresee perimeter chassis with pass door bars ect!,
                    Shocks by BGR army

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                    • chupp n bloomer fan
                      Senior Member
                      • May 2007
                      • 11526

                      #100
                      Originally posted by grt74 View Post
                      a containment seat would have helped i would think(again I'm not claiming to be an expert), the shoulders would have caught him, its going to take building a car with a bigger (not a nice word)(not a nice word)(not a nice word)(not a nice word)pit area, along with a raised roof, but this will take time, the standard containment seat will work but along with all safety measures, you need to know how they work(you need the helmet really close to the head area of the seats it may take mods to the seat) I've have been talking with the powers to be and they are seriously considering having a measurement from the floor to the bottom of the halo and a 3 inch to the helmet rule, this will require fab work on all your older cars,I really honestly believe 99.9% of the dirt late models the helmet is to close to the roll cage or the roof(in a roll over there head is hitting the ground, hell in topless races I've seen helmets sticking above the halo,frigin nuts)
                      Precisely. The clearance between your noggin and the halo is not enough, not the seat.
                      Up in the air who my next “favorite” driver is. Really losing hope on Bloomer getting anywhere back to “normal”.

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                      • Stede Bonnet
                        Senior Member
                        • Sep 2016
                        • 325

                        #101
                        With All the safety devices in the world installed injury and death are always going to be possible. We don't see them nearly as much in DLM as in other forms of racing, but that spectre will always loom and we are all in the process of dying. In the words of Jim Morrison, "No one here gets out alive".

                        Things I believe that would help:
                        1) A higher halo height/roof line.
                        2) lower decking and door height and widen the drivers area.
                        3) Larger green house.
                        4) Nose height maximum from ground rule, so the cars can't roll over so easy.
                        5) No wheel covers

                        Phase in Rules: (2 years)
                        6) #25 weight break for 39.2 fuel cell
                        7) #25 weight break for 39.2 FC seat
                        8) #50 weight break for Fire suppression system.
                        9) Enforce rules on fuel lines and couplings standards.
                        10) Enforce rules on belts that are out of date.

                        ***During these 2 years more study could be done on effects of FC seats/concussions and you could have a mandatory safety seminar at beginning of season with safety people to show videos and answer questions. Those that don't attend can't run the series.***
                        Politically Incorrect.

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                        • fastford
                          Senior Member
                          • Dec 2008
                          • 4059

                          #102
                          so your basically saying , in 2 years, if you dont agree with or cant afford these changes, then you get a 100 lb weight penalty?

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                          • Stede Bonnet
                            Senior Member
                            • Sep 2016
                            • 325

                            #103
                            Originally posted by fastford View Post
                            so your basically saying , in 2 years, if you dont agree with or cant afford these changes, then you get a 100 lb weight penalty?
                            Well my plan would give you 2 years and the option to comply fully. The way it actually is you gotta have all of it by February/March.
                            Politically Incorrect.

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                            • powerslide
                              Senior Member
                              • May 2007
                              • 2696

                              #104
                              Originally posted by billetbirdcage View Post
                              If you are a series regular, you will get an extra 2 laps from normal to change a tire now do to the bolts but not a series regular your screwed? Also sounds to me like anyone selling/making plastic type covers got screwed as how are those more dangerous then aluminum ones, lol?
                              Gotta let them promoters sell some hotdogs....

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                              • dirtracer74
                                Member
                                • Jul 2009
                                • 49

                                #105
                                Originally posted by Stede Bonnet View Post
                                5) No wheel covers
                                I am guessing you have never packed a wheel full of mud/ clay?

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