Time for some new rules re. Provisionals

[MasterSbilt_Racer]

You do realize WoO and Lucas are not 50 year old institutions, right? There is a whole lot more to dirt racing than just those two series. Here's how it worked, the series came in and sanctioned the big races like the N/S, DTWC, Topless, etc., after they were well established races. Those races and many more didn't happen because of the series. They were here before either tour.

I'm not one of these guys with stars in his eyes that thinks the race isn't worth seeing if it isn't sanctioned by Lucas or the outlaws.

I don't have any problem at all attending a $3000 race at the local track. You're missing a lot limiting yourself to going to races only when the "stars" show up.

Nail on the head! In some cases, the series involvement actually decreased purses.

[W2Racing09]

You do realize WoO and Lucas are not 50 year old institutions, right? There is a whole lot more to dirt racing than just those two series. Here's how it worked, the series came in and sanctioned the big races like the N/S, DTWC, Topless, etc., after they were well established races. Those races and many more didn't happen because of the series. They were here before either tour.

I'm not one of these guys with stars in his eyes that thinks the race isn't worth seeing if it isn't sanctioned by Lucas or the outlaws.

I don't have any problem at all attending a $3000 race at the local track. You're missing a lot limiting yourself to going to races only when the "stars" show up.

As you'll see in my initial post I wasn't necessarily talking about the BIG races, I'm talking about the quantity of $10k+ races. Although, I would be surprised if all of the BIG races still occurred if series' didn't exist. A lot of the tracks hosting $10k to win shows on the LOLMDS and WoO schedule wouldn't host any high paying races at all without the guarantee of the touring series drivers being in attendance.

Also, where did I say I don't attend $3k to win shows? I went to 48 races last year and only about 15 of them were National Tour shows. With all of the races I've attended in my area over the past several years I've seen quite a few good ones, but 10 times out of 10 I will drive 200 miles to see a National Tour over going to a local show 20 miles away, but that does not mean I don't go to local shows at all.

Thanks,
Jeff.

[Chris Thomason]

>50k/yr = loser? D@m... guess I better get signed up

[W2Racing09]

Jeff:

This is America and nothing is preventing you from buying a track or starting a series. Go ahead and pay 10k to start 20k to win and 5k tow money ... you think it will work so go ahead and put your money where your mouth is

Which post of mine is this in response to? It does not really make much sense in response to any of my posts.


Thanks,
Jeff.

[a25rjr]

That's my biggest complaint, they need to somehow put a stop to that crap.

X 3!!!....Im ok with it if they have a flat tire.

[plunks7]

No Prov. at all. I don't care if they run the series or not. If you can't beat a local, its time to park it for the night. To many prov. for guys that think their better than some locals. Surprise, surprise, surprise some locals are much better than the back half of any series. RACE YOUR WAY IN!!!!!!!!!
A great example, Jill George never came close to even winning or qualifying. But because she was at every WOO race she got a provisional. Who on here held their breath every time she hit the track????????? How many other drivers deserved to be in the race she was in and not her? JMHO

[SHOESTRING TRVLR]

Agreed plunks. Race your way in! No provisionals. Gone are the days of the locals vs the touring stars when they come to town. Need to get back to drivers who actually want to race, instead of whining all the time.

[fryefan]

The drivers,and team owners that support the series should get a provisional, they spend the time and money to put a show on for us. The series limits the number of them that takes away from the field to just two, emergency provisionals do not effect non series racers. Anyone bitching they did not make the field because a regular used a provi should work a little harder to get one of the other 22 places.

Agreed. They spend a lot of time, money, and effort supporting the series.

[fryefan]

Like it or not, the Series MUST/HAVE to take care of their touring drivers FIRST.

Lets just say they capped the number of provisionals, and come June a Francis or Pearson or even Bloomer run out and drop off the tour. That is the last thing the series wants. So while it may seem moronic to let certain drivers use so many, they need to in exchange for drivers committing to the tour.

Agreed. It is a payoff for following the whole tour.

[hucktyson]

It's not pee wee football , there should not be participation trophies at the highest level of the sport. The requirement of timing in the top 50% or wrecking in qualifying shouldn't be onerous for a true national talent. Not everyone belongs on a national tour. There are some
Really fast guys from the western PA area , Norris, Miley , Lake , Feree , Barbra etc etc. And none of them are on tour. These are guys who have dominate Victorys in 3,5,7,10k to win races AND they are extremely competitive against Traveling pros yet none of them are on tour. The provisonal system should not allow a borderline top 10 weekly show guy run every feature on a national tour without coming even close to qualifying for it. This is not a knock on anyone. The touring pros are stupid fast and it's next to impossible for a limited dollar local guy to compete against that. You don't learn from getting lapped every 8 laps anymore than I would learn fighting Jon Jones for 6 seconds until he landed the first strike and knocked me out or challenging Jacare To a no gi jujitsu match... you have to crawl before you can walk and a national tour isn't the place to learn to crawl.

[W2Racing09]

It's not pee wee football , there should not be participation trophies at the highest level of the sport. The requirement of timing in the top 50% or wrecking in qualifying shouldn't be onerous for a true national talent. Not everyone belongs on a national tour. There are some
Really fast guys from the western PA area , Norris, Miley , Lake , Feree , Barbra etc etc. And none of them are on tour. These are guys who have dominate Victorys in 3,5,7,10k to win races AND they are extremely competitive against Traveling pros yet none of them are on tour. The provisonal system should not allow a borderline top 10 weekly show guy run every feature on a national tour without coming even close to qualifying for it. This is not a knock on anyone. The touring pros are stupid fast and it's next to impossible for a limited dollar local guy to compete against that. You don't learn from getting lapped every 8 laps anymore than I would learn fighting Jon Jones for 6 seconds until he landed the first strike and knocked me out or challenging Jacare To a no gi jujitsu match... you have to crawl before you can walk and a national tour isn't the place to learn to crawl.

I think both series' are obviously trying to attract those rookie-level drivers. They place restrictions on the amount of LOLMDS or WoO races you can have run in a season and still be eligible for the the ROY - this restriction is probably meant to discourage the Regional guys from jumping up and cleaning up the WoO ROY chase. In addition they pay good money out to those who are running for ROY to make it financially possible to compete on the series even when you are not really competitive. It works too, look at Tyler Erb -- a lot thought he had no business being on tour last year and now he is looking to be a possible outside shot at a top 5 points finish or maybe better in the WoO, and if he keeps running like he is he will bring home at least a couple wins this season.

The series will never stop offering provisionals, it is doing exactly what it is supposed to (guaranteeing that certain drivers will be in attendance at the races you schedule with whichever sanction). EPJ, Francis, and others might be struggling on the LOLMDS, but LOLMDS and their tracks want to be able to say that those recognizable drivers will be at their events. Without those guarantees I'm sure Francis would already have dropped off the series, and I'm sure there are a few others who wouldn't be too far behind.

[Crash101]

How fun could it be for the leaders to lap him 3 laps in, and on certain nights with a lot of cautions I swear he gets lapped 10 times. It has to be maddening for them to be in a tight battle and here he is all over the place in front of them. More power to you if you can get free rides in to crown jewels, but he has to go to every race and basically watch everyone else and pray they get in. He had talent in the crates but his super program lacks serious speed.

[TBSprintFan]

No, I just think some on here have a brain between their ears and realize the economics of high level DLM racing/tours.

Thanks,
Jeff.

What's with the smart a$$ comment about having a brain between their ears, I've been around dirt racing for 40+ years and know my fair share regarding it. Did you even read the full section re: provisionals that the WoO Sprints (which is the highest level dirt racing tour by attendance) use and how it is done? Since you think you are so fuching smart, explain why this would not work for late models? How many fans do you think are going to these races now to see Colton Flinner, and Steve Francis (he is not the draw to fans like he was before)?

[hucktyson]

This Jeff dude is such a typical leftist. My response about him buying a track and jacking up purses was clearly directed towards the above comment . There has been 1 car in touring series history that has ever used even close to that many provisionals. It's not that the dude times well and just misses transfers, he times 1.2 seconds off or more runs dead last in the heat dead last in the feature and still gets a free pass to get in the leaders was every 7 laps . No Steve Francis is no where near what I described. I watched every night at east bay and Francis was competitive. No one buys tickets to Lucas shows to watch guys frump around the back. Clearly that is lost on all the liberals here.

[chupp n bloomer fan]

I must say, I'm fascinated, amazed, at how people can turn anything into some political BS. You do realize huck, some people who even voted for Trump, agree with Lucas or WoO offering these provisionals?

Not everything has to turn political when you are out of intelligent responses, or insults on what you assume someone makes.

I understand why they have upteen provisionals, but I don't agree with them. Roy Mitchell and Colton Flinner are the prime examples of why I don't agree with them. But the series has to take care of it's followers too. But I'd limit the provisionals to say 6-10, with the stipulation that you have to be within 1.5 seconds of quick time, and/or have been caught up in a wreck, accident on the way to track, flat tire, whatever.