Justin Rattliff

[zach51]

They need to test the flagmen too! I've seen some I've had doubts about!

[jog49]

Ever notice when you mention drug test, a great many people here pull the shades and lock the doors?

[chupp n bloomer fan]

Wow, it appears no one on this board knows how any testing is ever done. The rule about refusing a test being an auto-fail is no different than refusing a blood, urine or field sobriety test if you're pulled over on suspicion of drunk driving. You refuse the test, it's an admission of guilt.

Don't know the guy from Adam, but to refuse the test is stupid. Take the test and you pass, you did nothing wrong, take the test and you fail, it's the same penalty as refusing the test.

As far as I'm concerned, to get a driver's license to drive on the street you should have to pass a drug test (same goes for applying for welfare or unemployment benefits). But let's all concern ourselves with the thought of "it's their free time, they can do what they want" and ignore the fact that except over-the-counter and prescriptions, most drugs are ILLEGAL federally (doesn't matter that certain states allow marijuana use, it's still illegal federally).

Hate to break this news to most of you, but the drivers and teams that follow the WoO are the ones that push for drug testing, not the sanctioning body. They want to ensure that anyone on the track with them is clean, it's dangerous enough without adding drugs or alcohol to the mix.

I've been tested randomly for 15 years plus, and I know exactly how they work. I have a CDL and run heavy equipment. I'm for them in my line of work.

I'm for them for welfare too, even unemployment, though I admit, I get like two weeks around Christmas where I'm off work that I can smoke if I want to. Off a month usually, but obviously you don't do that stuff till you come back. In saying that though, I'm with a test for unemployment too.

As much as I'm against the stupid federal laws on weed, they are what they are.

Yeah you got some drivers going yay, but for the most part, really? It wasn't an issue, it's a PR, insurance issue, not what they front it as. Just them spewing NASCAR BS. Zero proof there was a safety issue. And don't forget about alcohol too if you wanna go all NASCAR.

I agree, dumb to not take it. But if he just got done smoking, or snorting, it's a waste of time.

If there was an issue, I'm for it, there wasn't, so I think it's a waste of time, money, and is just dumb.

[MaverickSprints]

I like the rule, and obviously there is a reason he didn't do the test....

Obvious? Only to you. He wasn't driving and hasn't been driving...
Why test someone who isn't even there to drive? What purpose does that serve?

[vande077]

were not talking public highways, were talking private property , only consequences would come from track owner and sanctioning body, nothing criminal. I think if this is a sanctioning body issue, then let all the members/drivers vote on it and then if they vote this rule in, they should make every entrant to there event pee in a cup upon entering the event and test them right then. my mother was a probation officer for 33 yrs and even back then they had test that would give you instant results, so if a driver comes back hot, then they are disqualified right then before the race ever starts, like i said , final nail in the coffin. And by the way. I would pass, but thats beside the point , lets also have a breath alizer there to.....

Private property means zippo when it comes to drug use. if anything a private place can add even more rules (most employers have rules that go above and beyond what is required by law when it comes to drugs, alcohol, weapons, etc.).

If you think you can't be charged criminally on private property you are delusional, private property is where 99.9% of drug busts take place, not on the city street or in a city park, but on private property where they live.

Drivers asked that follow the series have been asking for drug testing for years, this has nothing to with insurance at all. If it did, a sanctioning body like the Interstate Racing Association (sprints in Wisconsin) would have implemented it many, many years ago, the leader of their sanction is in the insurance business. Last I checked, they still don't have a drug policy and if insurance is mandating it as many believe, they would have had it already.

[NY DIRT]

My question is he refused the test during speed weeks in Florida which was almost 2 full months ago. Why is this information being released now instead of the week that it happened???? I am all for drug testing but not when it is handled like this.

[MasterSbilt_Racer]

Private property means zippo when it comes to drug use. if anything a private place can add even more rules (most employers have rules that go above and beyond what is required by law when it comes to drugs, alcohol, weapons, etc.).

If you think you can't be charged criminally on private property you are delusional, private property is where 99.9% of drug busts take place, not on the city street or in a city park, but on private property where they live.

Drivers asked that follow the series have been asking for drug testing for years, this has nothing to with insurance at all. If it did, a sanctioning body like the Interstate Racing Association (sprints in Wisconsin) would have implemented it many, many years ago, the leader of their sanction is in the insurance business. Last I checked, they still don't have a drug policy and if insurance is mandating it as many believe, they would have had it already.

Only WoO drivers want drug tests? But Lucas drivers don't? I have never heard it be an issue either way.

[MI Dirt Fan]

Ever notice when you mention drug test, a great many people here pull the shades and lock the doors?

I don't think people particularly care. It's no secret anymore. Alot of people do it or have done it. This is a racing forum and people come here to talk racing, not drugs. They spend more money trying to combat it (marijuana) when they could legalize it to an extent and spend the money else where. Now if we're talking like the hard stuff like cocaine, meth etc then put every effort in to stopping that. But it won't ever happen.

[vande077]

Only WoO drivers want drug tests? But Lucas drivers don't? I have never heard it be an issue either way.

From what I've seen, read and listened to first hand, Lucas drivers have been saying the same things, that they need to have drug testing.

It has nothing to do with those that follow the series (I'd guess most are clean anyway), but they race at many tracks across the country and many drivers drop in for just an event or two. It's easy to police the full time teams as officials see them on a regular basis and know when someone is acting "out of sorts", and they can do random testing on them at any time, anywhere. They can't do that with guys that don't follow them, they have to rely on their gut instinct (suspicion) and request a test or if someone else suspects (another driver, team owner, track promotor, etc.) they may be on drugs, they can request the sanctioning body test them as well.

That is the issue here, not that there is rampant drug use/abuse by the full-time teams/drivers. It's about those that aren't there every week which are extremely hard to police.

[Josh Bayko]

My question is he refused the test during speed weeks in Florida which was almost 2 full months ago. Why is this information being released now instead of the week that it happened???? I am all for drug testing but not when it is handled like this.

I'm gonna guess they waited until after the appeals process finished to announce anything. That's the way things tend to be done anymore.

[reid boys]

The part I don't get is why would he show up in the first place?

[fastford]

Private property means zippo when it comes to drug use. if anything a private place can add even more rules (most employers have rules that go above and beyond what is required by law when it comes to drugs, alcohol, weapons, etc.).

If you think you can't be charged criminally on private property you are delusional, private property is where 99.9% of drug busts take place, not on the city street or in a city park, but on private property where they live.

Drivers asked that follow the series have been asking for drug testing for years, this has nothing to with insurance at all. If it did, a sanctioning body like the Interstate Racing Association (sprints in Wisconsin) would have implemented it many, many years ago, the leader of their sanction is in the insurance business. Last I checked, they still don't have a drug policy and if insurance is mandating it as many believe, they would have had it already.

he would have to have the drug on him physically and be caught by a police officer of some kind to be charged , if he took a puff of pot a week ago and failed a drug test given by a race track or sanction, what are they gone charge him with?

[vande077]

he would have to have the drug on him physically and be caught by a police officer of some kind to be charged , if he took a puff of pot a week ago and failed a drug test given by a race track or sanction, what are they gone charge him with?

It's up to the sanctioning body. They can have you arrested (without drugs on you) if you refuse to comply with their drug test or your refusal to vacate the property. And since you refused to comply with a random drug test, you give those arresting officers "reason" to get a court order to drug test you, search all your property (hauler, tow vehicle) and can charge you with a multitude of charges related and unrelated to the drug use (if you come back positive, they can charge you with OWI if you were behind the wheel of a licensed vehicle), they can charge you with Trespassing if you refused to leave the property, they can charge you with interference with official acts if you start making a scene when they try to detain you or to get you to leave the property. Happens every day of every week in every state across the US.

[NormP]

I'd be surprised if a police officer would arrest you for refusing a drug test requested by a private company. That's a civil issue, not a criminal one. The trespassing part, yes, you might convince an officer to arrest the guy if he refuses to leave private property after being asked to leave. But for just refusing a drug test the police are going to tell you that's an issue between you and the guy requesting the test. Obviously there are exceptions to everything, but in probably 99% of the cases the police aren't going to want to touch that because there has been no criminal statute broken.

Bit it's really odd that they would pick a guy who doesn't run many series races and has been putting someone else in his car the last few months.

[fastford]

i dont know about where your at, but ive never herd of a sanction body"officer" arresting any on down here. I think you are swaying to the delusional side my self. any way, I feel when they come up with a way to check ones sobriety at the time of the indecent as far as pot or anything else, then im all for it, just like checking for alcohol.