Passing Points/Double Heats

[SLIDING SIDEWAYS]

I thought McCreadie would of had a higher points total than he did. He passed a ton of cars in 1 of those heats.

Thats what i thought also. He started last in his heat and finished like 4th or something

[huskerdirt]

T mac did exactly the same thing the guys just in front of him did. Won a heat, passed a bunch of cars in his next heat. He ended up tied for 3rd in points.

[Kwd1253]

No event should ever qualify!! Big waste of time, passing point heats is way to go.

Passing points has it's flaws too. You can get stuck with very very stacked heat race with top drivers. You cant really pass no one because of how strong that heat. Mean while another heat only has one or two top driver in it and pass up all the weak driver up.

Example last night round 1.
Heat 3,4,5, was the most stacked fun. You can debate which was stronger. While 1,2,3 was pretty strong. I have to say heat 5 was most stacked, alot hard coming from the back to the front.

Round 2 heats they dropped the ball. That 3rd heat was weak as hell. Soon I seen that heat line up, I said Scott should easily get 3rd maybe 2nd. Depending on how good bobby runs in that heat.

You can get lucky like Scott last night. He started on first row, 90% of times he going win his he heat when starting on first row. Then he gets the weakest heat of the night. They shoulkd just said we going put Scott on the pole rest of y'all race it out lol.

I was more impressed with other drivers that had come from the back. That only got up to 4th or 5th because how the odds were stacked against them, because of caliber of the heat. Some drivers had race stacked heat in round 1 and round 2, While others not so much.

[ptown]

Passing points suck for the very reason this thread was started, people have no clue how things are calculated, qualify run heats top three or four go to feature rest to semi.

[MasterSbilt_Racer]

Passing points suck for the very reason this thread was started, people have no clue how things are calculated, qualify run heats top three or four go to feature rest to semi.

I couldn't disagree more. The heats are very entertaining and you get twice as many. You want your favorites to pass as many as possible. Pretty simple.

Plus, racers get in the show. Not qualifying experts.

[Hoosier_Dirt]

It makes it way more interesting. The track usually changed during qualifying, so I don't see how it's remotely fair?

[mccreadiefan39]

Passing point heats work great at tracks you can actually pass on (Knoxville, I-80, Florence etc.)

Tracks it would never work at (Gaffney, Fayettville, NC , Smoky Mountain etc.)

[a25rjr]

Passing points suck for the very reason this thread was started, people have no clue how things are calculated, qualify run heats top three or four go to feature rest to semi.

I agree somewhat.....but im never ok with the winner getting penalized for winning from the pole!

I wish I could remember what track used the format to give heat winners max points.

[NY DIRT]

Passing points suck for the very reason this thread was started, people have no clue how things are calculated, qualify run heats top three or four go to feature rest to semi.

The people may have no clue how things are calculated, but the drivers do and I do not hear any of them complaining. the only people complaining are the keyboard warriors who are NEVER WRONG.

[zyoung25]

The people may have no clue how things are calculated, but the drivers do and I do not hear any of them complaining. the only people complaining are the keyboard warriors who are NEVER WRONG.

Consider the source....

[huskerdirt]

I agree somewhat.....but im never ok with the winner getting penalized for winning from the pole!

I wish I could remember what track used the format to give heat winners max points.

The heat winner isn't penalized. In single round heat races and the system MLRA uses a heat winner from the pole makes the show. In the cases I've seen that heat winner from the pole never starts worse than 6th or 7th.

Now.... the system used in Arizona the last few years was completely flawed as it weighed heavily on passing cars than where you finished. That's why they had to put the clause in there that heat winners automatically made the show. I remember that JD fans being up in arms because he started 15th one night. That's how broken that system is and why drivers complained.

[a25rjr]

The heat winner isn't penalized. In single round heat races and the system MLRA uses a heat winner from the pole makes the show. In the cases I've seen that heat winner from the pole never starts worse than 6th or 7th.

Now.... the system used in Arizona the last few years was completely flawed as it weighed heavily on passing cars than where you finished. That's why they had to put the clause in there that heat winners automatically made the show. I remember that JD fans being up in arms because he started 15th one night. That's how broken that system is and why drivers complained.

He was penalized. The heat winner should get max points in my opinion.

[huskerdirt]

He was penalized. The heat winner should get max points in my opinion.

Under the system in Arizona.... yes I will agree he was penalized. If they used the MLRA system he would've been a top 6 starter that night.

Heat winner from the pole gets 59 points. The 2nd place driver in that heat would have to start 5th or worse to get more points than the heat winner.

[JDT]

I have been a fan of the Passing Points heats for many years and while they may be flawed I think it does really good things for racing events. 1. Makes heat races very exciting to watch - Not just who finishes 1st or 2nd in the head but also the racing back in the pack because every position and car passed is valuable 2. Gives all drivers the opportunity to race their way into an event - A lot of teams may not have the ability to afford the costs of qualifying setups so then they choose to skip bigger events and the car counts go down. With passing points and a chance to draw the smaller teams have the chance to race into a crown jewel event Passing points does not have any more flaws than any other event setup. If they qualify there is the discussion about rather to invert the top times and if so how many. If they do invert the top 5 or so drivers get penalized while the drivers in spots 7 or 8 thru 12 or so get a bonus. If they don't invert then the heat racing is usually boring. I watched a Summer National race a few years back with qualifying and no invert and the winner that night lead every lap of the heat and feature and did not have to pass one competitive car while taking him the winners check. The North South is a crown jewel event that wants to have it own type of format to try and produce the best possible racing for the fans on their weekend. It seems to me to be working pretty well as they have averaged about 65 or so entries per year since they went to passing points and the drivers are well aware of the format. Lucas Oil series is aware of the format and has continued their relationship with the track and the event. The crowds the last 2 or so years have been standing room only so the fans obliviously like the amount of racing they are getting for their money.

[Kwd1253]

He was penalized. The heat winner should get max points in my opinion.

That wild west shootout thing is bs. They screw over the drivers that could win big bonus check. Bobby got screwed this year, they should reschedule the rain out races. Give drivers shot to win the bonus but they seen they might have to come off lot more money so they cancel it not pay up.