Aero/downforce

[Mike]

Most rule changes do obsolete parts and tend to actually raise cost. You'd obsolete the noses and some body braces with a body change, but most guys are buying new ones before each season anyways. They'd just be buying a different nose instead, so I don't really see an issue with body changes. Something as simple as making them go to solid sail panels would even help some.

Wouldn't change the fact that development of new ways to take advantage of the only thing in racing that is free would commence, and everybody else would do the same, and eventually we'll be right back here. The big money teams have ruled over the sport of auto racing since day one. No amount of rule changes is ever going to stop that.

You have to enforce the rules don't allow it to get out of hand. That's why we are where we are now nobody wants to enforce the rules a little tweak here a little tweak there it may not be with in the rules but hey it looks cool. If someone gets away with it the next guy pushes it further and the next guy further until it gets out of hand..

[Mike]

Bodies are a cheap way to fix the cars. Bob Memmer did it. We got here by allowing companies that make body parts to essentially write the rules. Enforce body rules from 2005 and take the spoiler off. Racing would improve tremendously.

I am no Steve Francis, but I have been b!tching about the bodies and the direction they were heading since 2006. All anybody ever wanted to talk about was tire rules and how the latest tire would safe DLM racing SMH

[MasterSbilt_Racer]

You have to enforce the rules don't allow it to get out of hand. That's why we are where we are now nobody wants to enforce the rules a little tweak here a little tweak there it may not be with in the rules but hey it looks cool. If someone gets away with it the next guy pushes it further and the next guy further until it gets out of hand..

Bingo!

The cars continue to evolve every February when tech doesn't have the balls to make anyone fix their bodies. I have a 2011 MasterS sitting in the garage. I have to remake the decking and T bars to make the body even competitive right now.

[Mike]

So taking that lip off the fenders like the old wedge wouldnt change the aero?

Yes the elephant ears are part of the package. They aren't alone though. You would still have the nose planted the rear hiked up with a big spoiler out back and a wide body to generate massive down force. It's still a wedge effect

[hucktyson]

I'm sure Mastersbilt racer doesn't mind the fact that a car with the proper stance and body is 2 seconds faster than one without . After all his car would smoke the field at the world 100 since he's " an engineer " he just doesn't want to make the pro racers feel bad. In fact if you make a straight afco 4 valve right front and a 600 lb spring and max ground clearance of 6" the rule he could engineer the car to go 2 seconds faster than they do now ! But his engineering fix would cost 5 mil per car just ask him and he'll tell you. Steve Francis is absolutely right , but all of You experts who maybe have a few wins at moler in a heat race know the sport much better than a Steve Francis

[a25rjr]

Bodies are a cheap way to fix the cars. Bob Memmer did it. We got here by allowing companies that make body parts to essentially write the rules. Enforce body rules from 2005 and take the spoiler off. Racing would improve tremendously.

Speaking of the spoiler.

Didn't Lucas do some testing with spoiler height, several years ago? The rules didn't change, and you never heard anymore about it!

[mcarter815]

Use a stock nose like cup guys or street stocks use

That would ruin the visual appeal.

[MasterSbilt_Racer]

I'm sure Mastersbilt racer doesn't mind the fact that a car with the proper stance and body is 2 seconds faster than one without . After all his car would smoke the field at the world 100 since he's " an engineer " he just doesn't want to make the pro racers feel bad. In fact if you make a straight afco 4 valve right front and a 600 lb spring and max ground clearance of 6" the rule he could engineer the car to go 2 seconds faster than they do now ! But his engineering fix would cost 5 mil per car just ask him and he'll tell you. Steve Francis is absolutely right , but all of You experts who maybe have a few wins at moler in a heat race know the sport much better than a Steve Francis

The roids must have effected your ability to comprehend. I said Steve was right. And I complained the first time a nose was approved with a valence. I remember when you said the Rumley device was a decoy. Carry on building decks and trying to beat Gray.

This sport is inbred to the point where product peddlers buy approval and people with influence over the rules are those who financially benefit from setting them as they please.

[MasterSbilt_Racer]

Speaking of the spoiler.

Didn't Lucas do some testing with spoiler height, several years ago? The rules didn't change, and you never heard anymore about it!

Yes, they tested a shorter spoiler. Maybe 4"?

[billetbirdcage]

This isn't a jab at DP as, just about every other car is this way to some degree. But shows you how everyone has pushed the rules and they don't enforce the rules we had and keep adjusting rules to meet where at the cars are on measurements. Remember when the rear deck hieght was 36" with no tolerance, now we are at 39"




Rules are stated as no more then 1" of tolerance on that blue line I drew and that isn't even including that 4" hump English wheeled into the fender so the right side T-bar can be lowered that much to add rake to the body front to back and left to right

[Illtsate32]

The noses are so huge now its not even proportionate with the car...ugly too...and the tapered decking thats just extra unneeded work so it must provide a big advantage...

[Illtsate32]

Spoiler is huge too..even the fin on the rr is cut down compared to the others...

[dirtcrazy4u]

AERO has been a pain in thr rear in ALL of motorsports.

[Hoosier_Dirt]

Steve Francis nailed this. Bodies on these things are hideous!! They are so fast and equal, it does hurt the quality of racing. That's why the slick tracks take some of this out of the equation and put it in the drivers and set ups. It's not all about hammer down speed.

[Josh Bayko]

You have to enforce the rules don't allow it to get out of hand. That's why we are where we are now nobody wants to enforce the rules a little tweak here a little tweak there it may not be with in the rules but hey it looks cool. If someone gets away with it the next guy pushes it further and the next guy further until it gets out of hand..

Tech is already severely lacking most places, mostly due to a serious lack of knowledgeable people and proper equipment. Relying on tech is what got us here in the first place. There are no real easy answers to these problems. Only thing I can really think of is a dirt version of some sort of the ABC bodies that they use on asphalt late models. Open up the wheel wells some, lose the rear bumper cover or whatever and a flat deck through through the c*ckpit area with a 4 or 6 inch spoiler.