Aero/downforce

[Mike]

Yes, they tested a shorter spoiler. Maybe 4"?

Was that the year of the bogus Lucas Oil "cost saving test" at Florence Speedway a week before one of the first DTWC's at PRP. You know the one that resulted in the new Lucas Oil tire that was going to save weekly racing lol

[MasterSbilt_Racer]

Was that the year of the bogus Lucas Oil "cost saving test" at Florence Speedway a week before one of the first DTWC's at PRP. You know the one that resulted in the new Lucas Oil tire that was going to save weekly racing lol

I think it was! Lol

[Highwayman]

Wonder what took these guys so long to see this. Too bad they didn't have the foresight to see where the sport was headed years ago. It's almost like they had tunnel vision and couldn't see what was happening around them. SMH

https://racingnews.co/2017/09/15/ste...odynamics/amp/

Been down this road once with, "The Wedge" but like they say, "Those who don't know they're history are doomed to repeat it". And just like the 2008 economic disaster, the smart guys in charge thought they could manage around it, "It was different this time" so they thought. Here we are again, lots of people quitting regularly, costs are over the moon and leadership is absent and clueless.

[MasterSbilt_Racer]

Tech is already severely lacking most places, mostly due to a serious lack of knowledgeable people and proper equipment. Relying on tech is what got us here in the first place. There are no real easy answers to these problems. Only thing I can really think of is a dirt version of some sort of the ABC bodies that they use on asphalt late models. Open up the wheel wells some, lose the rear bumper cover or whatever and a flat deck through through the c*ckpit area with a 4 or 6 inch spoiler.

I remember taking hours to pass tech at the World 100 in 1993 with a crew of hillbillies not trying to cheat.

[Highwayman]

flat interiors could help also I THINK

Its already too tight in there now, unless your lowering the door height to get flat...

[Mike]

Bingo!

The cars continue to evolve every February when tech doesn't have the balls to make anyone fix their bodies. I have a 2011 MasterS sitting in the garage. I have to remake the decking and T bars to make the body even competitive right now.

Same thing is happening with the modifieds, but you can't tell them anything when Kenny Wallace tells them how great the sport and their class is. They eat it up and wonder why I say Kenny Wallace is bad for the sport lol

[ptown]

Same thing is happening with the modifieds, but you can't tell them anything when Kenny Wallace tells them how great the sport and their class is. The eat it up and wonder why I say Kenny Wallace is bad for the sport lol

Kenny Wallace is a dumb no driving hillbilly who would be changing oil at Wal Mart if he didn't have a brother named Rusty.

[Mike]

I think it was! Lol

I haven't been to a Lucas Oil sanctioned event since that test. I got buddies that don't understand why I choose not to support that sanction. lol In the grand scheme of things I'm only one person and I'm sure they don't miss my support plenty of other fans to replace me Without them missing a beat

[Josh Bayko]

I remember taking hours to pass tech at the World 100 in 1993 with a crew of hillbillies not trying to cheat.

I'm not so much talking about big events, but more about weekly/regional races, and even regular national series races aren't going to bust balls because neither one of them want to lose any racers. It's a vicious cycle that nobody really knows how to stop.

[Illtsate32]

I'm not so much talking about big events, but more about weekly/regional races, and even regular national series races aren't going to bust balls because neither one of them want to lose any racers. It's a vicious cycle that nobody really knows how to stop.

And most local tracks have their favorites or people that race who have relatives that are officials at a track or contribute to a fairground or fairboard where the track is....

[Mike]

Bodies are a cheap way to fix the cars. Bob Memmer did it. We got here by allowing companies that make body parts to essentially write the rules. Enforce body rules from 2005 and take the spoiler off. Racing would improve tremendously.

Exactly......Bingo!

[Mike]

Tech is already severely lacking most places, mostly due to a serious lack of knowledgeable people and proper equipment. Relying on tech is what got us here in the first place. There are no real easy answers to these problems. Only thing I can really think of is a dirt version of some sort of the ABC bodies that they use on asphalt late models. Open up the wheel wells some, lose the rear bumper cover or whatever and a flat deck through through the c*ckpit area with a 4 or 6 inch spoiler.

Some of this stuff is/was so obvious it could be seen from the stands. It's not all rocket science and lack of knowledge. A lot of it has to do with who it is when things are allowed to pass tech when it shouldn't be

[Mike]

Been down this road once with, "The Wedge" but like they say, "Those who don't know they're history are doomed to repeat it". And just like the 2008 economic disaster, the smart guys in charge thought they could manage around it, "It was different this time" so they thought. Here we are again, lots of people quitting regularly, costs are over the moon and leadership is absent and clueless.

Instead of addressing/admitting the problem in 2008 many stuck their head in the sand and blamed it all the on the economy. They said everything would be great again when the economy improved

[dirtcrazy4u]

Bla, bla, bla. If you don't get lucas and WoO to agree on a standard set of aero rules your just wasting your time. I do agree, aero is not a good thing. Every time I hear a driver say I was in bad air or aero this or that it makes my skin crawl. Y a go back to the 2005 bodies , do you realize what that would cost teams ? Shock packages, springs, tires, it's all going to change so were are you then ? You take that downforce away and your going to throw all those set up sheets out the window. The bodies are one of the cheapest items on a current slm. They need to make sure the engineers that are making these cars so expensive stops. As for steve francis, Yea he is right, but if he had a sponsor and was competitive I don't think he would be making the same comments.

[Mike]

Bla, bla, bla. If you don't get lucas and WoO to agree on a standard set of aero rules your just wasting your time. I do agree, aero is not a good thing. Every time I hear a driver say I was in bad air or aero this or that it makes my skin crawl. Y a go back to the 2005 bodies , do you realize what that would cost teams ? Shock packages, springs, tires, it's all going to change so were are you then ? You take that downforce away and your going to throw all those set up sheets out the window. The bodies are one of the cheapest items on a current slm. They need to make sure the engineers that are making these cars so expensive stops. As for steve francis, Yea he is right, but if he had a sponsor and was competitive I don't think he would be making the same comments.

Do you realize there use to be a thing called wedge cars and what happened to them We have been here before

There are two choices head in the sand and ignore the problem or address it head on.

We know what the choice was last time the only question now is which direction we go now. If the last several years are any indication it will continue to be fading sport with declining participation on all sides. Tracks closing, driver hanging up the helmet and fans staying home.