Big time super drivers in crates

[Bubstr]

When the Crate and limited sanctions are excluded from the Super races, then we can complain about Super drivers at Crate shows.

One of the great things about LM racing is the amateurs can run with the professionals. If they want they can come to any race and try their hand at making or even ẃinning the race. Let's see you do that with baseball, basketball or football. When the Supers exclude lower ranked drivers, we can exclude the Super drivers from the Crate races. If that took place, you would probably have to buy a franchise or your number to race a Super. Then there would be something like 20 guaranteed spots for the series drivers and 4 for new racers to try to break in for a 24 car race, much like NASCAR does. I don't think anyone wants that. I like the idea of a farm boy kicking the hay seeds out of his cuff and putting a whoopin an the pros. Not a welfare check for winning a race that excluded good drivers. That would probably be the demise of both Crates and Supers eventually. Who is going to travel more than to the next town to see a second class race, and both the Supers and Crates, would be, when they start excluding racers.

It would be easy to exclude drivers at Crate series races. Just make so many provisionals for regulars that it deters some from coming, just like the traveling Super series do now.Of course you would call it, rewarding the series followers, not exclusion.

There was a day, when you could build a car in your garage and take it to Daytona with a even playing field. That is long gone. Tech didn't kill that, exclusion did.

[Clayton_Wetter]

Nope. Crates were used in asphalt racing long before anybody thought to use them on dirt.

What did they call them? Not crates was it? Did they have the low dollar sealed motor rules also?

[Josh Bayko]

What did they call them? Not crates was it? Did they have the low dollar sealed motor rules also?

They were GM engines sealed at the factory.

[NormP]

When crates started, they didn't want them there. If you started racing sport mods, would you want a guy like Unzicker showing up with a new Ruhlman car?

I'd be super excited at the chance to run against tough competition, because then if I win I feel like I've beat one of the best. Iron sharpens iron. You don't get much better when you're beating the same 9-10 guys each week.

And I wouldn't race in a division where I didn't think my equipment was as good as anyone else in that division. That way I know it's the driver that loses the race, not inferior equipment.

Besides, 6 days out of 7 on the good old 4m, everyone is complaining about how much money a lot of teams are pouring into crate cars (maybe not you specifically but people in general), which basically destroys their own argument about how the high dollar teams like Lanigan shouldn't be racing in the division with a bunch of good old boys scraping by on rubber bands and duct tape. A well funded team is a well funded team, it's just that in this particular instance the well funded team has a high profile driver that a lot of people don't like. Take the same car, put Joe Schitt the ragman behind the wheel, and no one would care that he won. So the whole funding issue is a red herring to detract from the fact that people don't like Laningan.

Like someone else said, how many times has Davenport done this without anyone making a peep?

[NormP]

Negatory. CJ tried to introduce the CT525 into the super division with huge weight breaks and big spoilers, NARA.

NASRA.

They ran at Junction City several times a few years ago. I actually enjoyed the racing.

[ride height]

We did the crate late when they first came out. Fun !! Heck, anybody could win, and did. Now....what a total joke. I assure you the cheating is of biblical proportions. Tech? What a f'ing joke!
Its totally ruined. Short of installing sealed bolts that send a signal to a SWAT team if broken and being blown away when you come outside....they are gonna cheat their a$$es off. And they do. Even with the promise of a SWAT team outside your shop, people will try $hit. Its sick. If it truly was all on the up and up...heck yea...bring on the big boys...at least I get a fair test of my skills against them.

[Clayton_Wetter]

Negatory. CJ tried to introduce the CT525 into the super division with huge weight breaks and big spoilers, NARA. The GM604/602 came along first and the first I heard of it was over at Cherokee Speedway in SC, then Mr FASTRAK took it and ran with it. At first he allowed a spec engine to compete as well, but that was dropped soon after. CJ strategy was based on inclusion, not exclusion like today's crate classes.

That's right, I remember now, he tried to create his own racing series of which he would corner the market with his own rules. It did not fly though.

[a25rjr]

How do you expect the chassis builders to gain set-up knowledge if they don't let their house drivers race?

Then they can pass that info down to their regional and local drivers!

[BIG MAC ATTACK]

The motor in Lanigans car was completely tore down by Nesmith after the race and brought back to Union in pieces and was Legal

[Krooser]

Let them all run together and you'll have the fast guys in the main and the slow guys in the semi feature and a bigger field of late models.

[tsand]

Ross Balies 20,000 to win fastrak motor was torn down to the bare block everything weighed and cc was legal. Ferguson 10,000 SECA win last week end again motor was taken down to the crank and checked was legal. I don't think cheating in crates is bad as most people think.especally the big money races because you know your engine is going to checked and check right

[MasterSbilt_Racer]

I'd be super excited at the chance to run against tough competition, because then if I win I feel like I've beat one of the best. Iron sharpens iron. You don't get much better when you're beating the same 9-10 guys each week.

And I wouldn't race in a division where I didn't think my equipment was as good as anyone else in that division. That way I know it's the driver that loses the race, not inferior equipment.

Besides, 6 days out of 7 on the good old 4m, everyone is complaining about how much money a lot of teams are pouring into crate cars (maybe not you specifically but people in general), which basically destroys their own argument about how the high dollar teams like Lanigan shouldn't be racing in the division with a bunch of good old boys scraping by on rubber bands and duct tape. A well funded team is a well funded team, it's just that in this particular instance the well funded team has a high profile driver that a lot of people don't like. Take the same car, put Joe Schitt the ragman behind the wheel, and no one would care that he won. So the whole funding issue is a red herring to detract from the fact that people don't like Laningan.

Like someone else said, how many times has Davenport done this without anyone making a peep?

It isn't just about money. The crate class was a way for the less funded or less skilled to have their party. That's how it was sold to the masses. Right down to the exclusionary rules. In a bid to sell tickets, those racers were sold out. I don't care either way. But, if I bought in during the early days, I would be upset.

You need to win a certain amount of money to race next season. Saying Joe super came and ran a half second faster than you doesn't pay the bills. If you wanted to race him, you would drop $100k on a super.

[donavon]

Good point!

It isn't just about money. The crate class was a way for the less funded or less skilled to have their party. That's how it was sold to the masses. Right down to the exclusionary rules. In a bid to sell tickets, those racers were sold out. I don't care either way. But, if I bought in during the early days, I would be upset.

You need to win a certain amount of money to race next season. Saying Joe super came and ran a half second faster than you doesn't pay the bills. If you wanted to race him, you would drop $100k on a super.

Never really looked at it that way but you are 100% correct..

[kazual]

If series officials wanted to limit or make it more difficult for teams or drivers that don’t support the series during the regular season they could do it easily, but they don’t want to.

[dirty bert]

Your right they don't want to looks like you should have to make so many starts thru out the year to run the special shows