Droop Rule and State of DLM Racing

[hucktyson]

How is getting the spoiler down out of the air to slow cars down SUCH an offensive idea ?? It lets people keep everything they have except a 200 dollar cushioned limiter for the LR ...

[hucktyson]

As a follow up why can't we get decks back down to 36" and check them after the race like we used to ??

[GRT32]

Get the bodies back under control and enforce the rules

[MasterSbilt_Racer]

Just put monoleafs back under them. One fixed eye and one fixed length shackle.

[onlyfacts]

[Quote Originally Posted by MasterSbilt_Racer View PostYes, Lucas tells you how to build the car. Ray gives you a couple measurements to follow. Totally different.] Ray uses the same rules for suspension as Lucas and Dirtcar these new rules are in addition to what is already in place.. he doesn’t allow the “Rumley Device or Spring Rods” nor would he allow more than 2 radius rods per side which is all spelled out in the Unified Rules.

[onlyfacts]

Just put monoleafs back under them. One fixed eye and one fixed length shackle.

Not legal in Lucas and Dirtcar.

[onlyfacts]

It's all about the$$$ same as everything else. If you want to keep the cost down 500lb spring on all corners steel non adjustable shocks and 358 cu.in. steel block. Obviously no one cares about the money involved, it's gotten too big to make real change. That's all right one day supers will be a one series national tour.

With out perimeters on how the suspension must be built, where and how those springs are mounted this would be the most expensive rule ever. Chassis builders and engineers would have a field day with different motion ratios and components. Everyone would need a new Chassis and components.

[MasterSbilt_Racer]

Not legal in Lucas and Dirtcar.

Nope. But if they really wanted to change the game for the better as far as $$$, they would do it.

[MasterSbilt_Racer]

Why are we discussing the Lucas/Rumley rules? Lucas done screwed that pooch and everyone jumped on. That isn't Ray's fault. And it was way worse than what Ray is doing. That is all I said.

There is so much money being wasted to make a car get some of the benefits of Rumleys suspension. Had it became the norm, people would simply still be working to maximize it with parts that already existed. Yes, Ray is probably partially trying to help folks that think all they have to do is let their wheel drop down more.

[onlyfacts]

Maybe we could all learn something from this years Chili Bowl. 342 cars entered with no rules for 10,000.00 to win. Go to a the biggest USAC midget race with a lot of rules and you might see 70-80. The cost for a competitive midget to run that race isn’t far from a late model. Go to a local track with USAC midgets and the local racers there are finically stressed as Local Late Model teams at a Lucas or WOO race. So rules may be the problem.

[pfd60]

True, but the mechanics of the suspension of an open wheel car is much simpler than a DLM. Solid front axle and two link rear suspension on a birdcage.
Enforce the body rules and stop qualifying! I am an open wheel fan also. Most midget shows drivers pill draw and then they run passing points. 99% of those races there is more passing in a heat than you will ever see in a DLM
heat.
I used to race open wheel but have been in and out of the DLM for the past 4 years in central Illinois. I just hope to finish in the top half. I'm returning this year but I cannot believe the changes made in the 18 months I haven't raced. I agree the bodies are out of control. Something needs to be done. The chain rule is cheap and a easy way to keep the car from rolling over so far on the right front. Which will take some areo away from the new wedge cars. But they need to enforce a front nose height as well on the right front corner. Just my .02

[CIRF]

Prior to 2016, I could build any suspension in my garage that I saw fit and bolt it on my car as long as the rear was a beam axle. Now, you are really only allowed a 4 link with very specific measurements given for bar locations. Many parts I used in the 90s, such as brake floaters and spring rods are expressly forbidden despite very low cost. You are not even allowed to use steel wheels! It's madness.

Thanks for the explanation of how they've caused the obsolescence of parts and the imposition of certain measurements and wheel composition.

Again, for us uninformed, how does this make limited late models out of unlimited super late models?

[MasterSbilt_Racer]

Thanks for the explanation of how they've caused the obsolescence of parts and the imposition of certain measurements and wheel composition.

Again, for us uninformed, how does this make limited late models out of unlimited super late models?

The dirt late model was a racing machine with very simple rules. A carbed engine, a 104" wheelbase, engine setback location defined. Basic body dimensions. You could built it how you saw fit. Now, it is cookie cutter. Now it is in a small box. Now, you can only run one suspension. How much more limited does it have to be?

That is the definition of limited racing. The "cheap" limited classes spell out specific things you cannot have. This is what they have done. Perhaps you are trolling? The difference between a street stocks and a super street used to be screw jacks on the suspension.

A SUPER car would have flexible suspension links if the owner wanted. A SUPER car would have 2 rr shocks if the owner wanted. A SUPER car could have as many heims on the lr corner of the car as the creator wanted. A SUPER car would be allowed to have brake floaters that mod guys run. When I grew up at the dirt tracks, that was a SUPER LM. Free to be whatever it wanted under the sheet metal.

[onlyfacts]

The dirt late model was a racing machine with very simple rules. A carbed engine, a 104" wheelbase, engine setback location defined. Basic body dimensions. You could built it how you saw fit. Now, it is cookie cutter. Now it is in a small box. Now, you can only run one suspension. How much more limited does it have to be?That is the definition of limited racing. The "cheap" limited classes spell out specific things you cannot have. This is what they have done. Perhaps you are trolling? The difference between a street stocks and a super street used to be screw jacks on the suspension.A SUPER car would have flexible suspension links if the owner wanted. A SUPER car would have 2 rr shocks if the owner wanted. A SUPER car could have as many heims on the lr corner of the car as the creator wanted. A SUPER car would be allowed to have brake floaters that mod guys run. When I grew up at the dirt tracks, that was a SUPER LM. Free to be whatever it wanted under the sheet metal.

You are 100% correct. What we have now is not what Late Model Racing evolved from. Series, Tracks, Racers and Promoters all have ideas for more rules. Problem is they have to make rules for the rules they already made. I remember when if you got beat you went home and worked harder. The guy that worked the hardest usually won. Now we have a bunch of winers that cry everytime someone wins with something they don’t have. So the series and promoters react to the wining with more rules. Sad where Late Models are headed.

[CIRF]

How much more limited does it have to be?

I don't know, that's why I asked, you tell me.

That is the definition of limited racing. The "cheap" limited classes spell out specific things you cannot have. This is what they have done. Perhaps you are trolling?

Perhaps I'm not.

A SUPER car would have flexible suspension links if the owner wanted. A SUPER car would have 2 rr shocks if the owner wanted. A SUPER car could have as many heims on the lr corner of the car as the creator wanted. A SUPER car would be allowed to have brake floaters that mod guys run. When I grew up at the dirt tracks, that was a SUPER LM. Free to be whatever it wanted under the sheet metal.

I see where you're coming from and I now know what you believe an unlimited super late model should be. I would only add that if what you want is a totally unlimited, unencumbered, uninhibited then is it accurate to assume that you'd be in favor of any width tire, a right front that hangs 2' beyond the right rear instead of just a foot, a sprint car style wing and/or 6' left side boards? Now that's my idea of an unlimited super late model stock car.