NASCAR may be sold?? Legit report!

[Cardirt0]

And go broke fast.

I like the 1 mile tracks and the big 2.5s ones you can have all the 1.5 mile ones they $uck. when they added the 1.5 is when things went south think about it.
Add 3... 1 mile dirt races

[chupp n bloomer fan]

They need to get out of the south, there is tracks out there in every state that would pack the stands. Problem is, the men's club doesn't want that. Nascrap owns 12, Humpy owns how many ? Burton Smith, Penske, they control nascrap. I would shorten the races, throw out this stage garbage, stop the fuel distance race, take all this aero crap and make the driver part of the reason a guy wins a race.

They did. That has a lot to do with the current state of NASCAR.

[chupp n bloomer fan]

North Wilkesboro isn't coming back.

It could. It’s sitting there rotting away last I knew.

[Cardirt0]

They did. That has a lot to do with the current state of NASCAR.

Added Bad tracks and told the fan base to go ( ) them selfs.

[No_Weak_Links]

Here's an idea....come up with a car and engine package that is affordable enough people could buy/build them. Then you would have tons of cars and fans at every race. We could then see who the best drivers are and not the best steering wheel holders who can bring in sponsor money. Have 2 provisionals. If you're not fast enough then you go home....the farther NASCAR has gotten away from grassroots, the less popular it has become.

[chupp n bloomer fan]

Added Bad tracks and told the fan base to go ( ) them selfs.

Correct. I know they wanted to attract new fans, but you cannot give the fans you had a middle finger to bring in new ones.

[Cardirt0]

Correct. I know they wanted to attract new fans, but you cannot give the fans you had a middle finger to bring in new ones.

I know some fans here in Ill 20 of them that have gone to 6 to 7 races a year, That only go to The 500 and hit the dirt spring races in F now. He told me once you only have to give me the Finger once to get me to change my mine.

[SLIDING SIDEWAYS]

C&B

They ran a mod race back a few yrs ago there at n wilksboro but it didnt do well. I was hoping it would spark an interest for some local short track racing. I believe they rented track and had low car count. Seems like pavement mods are dieing out here also. They had 8 cars at caraway a couple weeks ago. Opening night for bowman gray stadium was low also.

[Zonks32x]

Why would a retired driver want to come out of retirement to help their old employer out of a jam ?
That kind of logic just doesn't seem to make sense to me, I know when I retire I'm gonna relax and enjoy the Fruits of my Labor.

Where did most of these guys start? Short track racing?

Why go back to it? Because they enjoy racing. It's not full time, it's not high stakes, it's for Fun with the boys and because they can, if they choose to.

What do the fans get out of it? A chance to see "Champion" drivers at their local track competing against their local fan favorites.

Never said these guys would just show up for free. Nascar is dying a slow death and local tar-car short track racing isn't far behind.

They wouldn't be showing up to help their former employer, they would be showing up to breath life into short track racing and pay homage to their roots as drivers.

[3 wide]

The solution to nascar is easy do away with the points take that money and divide it out over the races that they run then you would see real races instead of following each other around for points these cars can't run anywhere else anyway so they don't need a point fund the only reason for a point fund is to keep the cars together.

[Cardirt0]

H ll have you priced a Racing Kart lately. You can spend 5Gs real fast. and not have much. Cost is killing it all. Even a good Dirt bike is a arm and leg now. Shepherd from fisher Ill has 250000 in his Pro ET street car. Its 10 years old..

[King1]

I personally dont want to see rules opened up, then you'd ser everybody chasing some f1 bs like a blown diffuser.

The 1.5 mile tracks are the best they have. Charlotte is not texas and texas isnt atlanta

California isnt michigan by no means.

The new repaves are killing the on track product due to speeds.

The front splitter needs to go

Stop hanging on to dale sr, hes been dead for 17 years and ive watched some awesome races since then.

They'll never be on dirt because the cars arent made for it and a dirt track couldnt hold enough people to pay the purse

The points system inst great but in order to be relevant in todays sports world, fans crave authenticity.

Winston pulling out didnt destroy the sport.

I watched some real snoozers growing up at plenty of tracks not 1.5 mile tracks.

With todays politics and division amongst two parties, nascar and massive fuel consumption, ozone depletion, drunks, trump supporters, and guns arent widely accepted in the liberal camp. Not every nascar race attendee back then were republicans.

Brian France endorsing trump hurt the sport because it essentially lost half its fan base.

The rules have been ultra tight since the late 90's, it was never really made public til the recent years

Tight body rules has forced extra wind tunnel time and exploitation of grey areas that are diffucult to achieve with low budget teams so maybe the camera inspection station needs to go.

Nascar circa 2000, 2001, or 2002, would be a joke in 2018.

Nobody will replace dale sr because the fans will never let it happen even though Jimmie Johnson, Jeff Gordon, and Tony Stewart are better drivers. The problem with that is new people will never try the sport because all the nostalgic people say "it aint worth a quarter since dale died on that tragic day in daytona 17 years ago"

Nascar drivers arent country boys anymore, theyre respected, well rounded, lean, in shape, and wreck more people today to win than dale sr did, but they get called dale sr wannabes rather than get applauded for it like dale sr did.

The day the nostalgic fans shuts up and lets go of dale sr, winston cigarettes, old points systems, and pieces of junk off the showroom floor then maybe the talk about nascar would be more positive and actually spark peoples interest in going

Who in their right mind would buy a ford fusion off the showroom floor, take a mile of wire out, backup camera, touch screen dash, two heater cores, an a/c system, trash the doors and make new ones from sheet metal, salvage the front bumper and rear bumper, lose the unibody structure and build a tube chassis to make a race car??? Why dont the manufacturer just supply us with the nose and rear bumper and let us make a sophisticated race car that looks similar to whats on showroom floor.
Oh wait thats what we are doing now because it makes sense.

In closing, nascar will never grow until its nostalgic fan base gets rid of the bag phone and upgrades to an iphone and realizes that everything changes and we need to embrace it. Not call it a SOB quit watching because richard childress brought back the number 3.

[BloomerHarvickFan]

That is a very well thought out response King 1 and I think you are pretty much on the money.
One thing I would like to see is new tracks....and they are built right into the old tracks. The infield Road Courses. If the Charlotte race goes well, I think we'll see this start trending. Nascar needs to tell all the tracks that have infield courses, that they will rotate through them with a different one running the road course for one of it's races.
This year it's Charlotte, maybe next year Pocono, the next Daytona, etc.

[CageFaraday]

Hasn't been the same since Dale Sr died. Need more Guns. Go Trump, you the man. Need to get back to a more stock appearing car. Anybody seen my cigarettes? This wanna be stick and ball sport format blows, bring back the real points system and ditch all these cookie cutter tracks, we don't all live in Charlotte. There, did I quote enough cliche's for you? Personally I could care less about freaking cigarettes, I don't smoke. I do miss Dale Sr, but not because he wrecked people, if that's all you got from Dale, then you aren't as smart or observant as you think you are. Dale spoke to the same segment of the population that Trump spoke to, working blur collar people. Dale stood up to the establishment, he wasn't a corporate Nascar "Yes Man". Which driver can you say does that today? Crickets. You may not like what the base has to say or our opinions, but to our credit during our heyday we didn't have crashing TV and attendance numbers, we were growing, both dirt & asphalt. Since the mid 00's when Nascar started making a concerted effort to attract the Millenial generation, things have done nothing but decline. Down, down, down. You see Nascar use to be set apart from other sports, something Millenials can't grasp since they are educated to be socilists by the public education system. They've been given every opportunity to support the sport and they don't. Now your solution to fix things is more of the same only the base isn't allowed to speak or have a different opinion. Sounds like ANTIFA, block free speech so they are the only ones heard. The proof is in the pudding, Nascar changed from top to bottom to attract the Millenials and they don't want it and it has nothing to do with the base pointing things we've learned through the decades that don't work. Youthful enthusiasm isn't always the best or only solution. Dirt late model was dying in the early 80's from the wedge, people were dropping out in large numbers, but they saw the writing on the wall and changed the rules to go back to being more like where DLM started, with smaller bodies. The racers returned, the fans exploded and we had a run through the late 80's and into the early 00's that was unbelievable. They say it takes a big man to admit when he is wrong, now its time for Nascar and the Millenials can admit they are wrong too and fix it. You don't know Dale or what he stood for at all.

[Shiny Side Up 18]

TV money pays the purse, not the front gate.