NASCAR may be sold?? Legit report!

[Josh Bayko]

One thing that would help immensely? Use cars that look like actual Camaros, Mustangs, and Supras as cars, with very minimal aero garbage added. Those cars are cool. Mom’s sedan with gargantuan spoilers and a fake nose of some other model is not.

[chupp n bloomer fan]

Hasn't been the same since Dale Sr died. Need more Guns. Go Trump, you the man. Need to get back to a more stock appearing car. Anybody seen my cigarettes? This wanna be stick and ball sport format blows, bring back the real points system and ditch all these cookie cutter tracks, we don't all live in Charlotte. There, did I quote enough cliche's for you? Personally I could care less about freaking cigarettes, I don't smoke. I do miss Dale Sr, but not because he wrecked people, if that's all you got from Dale, then you aren't as smart or observant as you think you are. Dale spoke to the same segment of the population that Trump spoke to, working blur collar people. Dale stood up to the establishment, he wasn't a corporate Nascar "Yes Man". Which driver can you say does that today? Crickets. You may not like what the base has to say or our opinions, but to our credit during our heyday we didn't have crashing TV and attendance numbers, we were growing, both dirt & asphalt. Since the mid 00's when Nascar started making a concerted effort to attract the Millenial generation, things have done nothing but decline. Down, down, down. You see Nascar use to be set apart from other sports, something Millenials can't grasp since they are educated to be socilists by the public education system. They've been given every opportunity to support the sport and they don't. Now your solution to fix things is more of the same only the base isn't allowed to speak or have a different opinion. Sounds like ANTIFA, block free speech so they are the only ones heard. The proof is in the pudding, Nascar changed from top to bottom to attract the Millenials and they don't want it and it has nothing to do with the base pointing things we've learned through the decades that don't work. Youthful enthusiasm isn't always the best or only solution. Dirt late model was dying in the early 80's from the wedge, people were dropping out in large numbers, but they saw the writing on the wall and changed the rules to go back to being more like where DLM started, with smaller bodies. The racers returned, the fans exploded and we had a run through the late 80's and into the early 00's that was unbelievable. They say it takes a big man to admit when he is wrong, now its time for Nascar and the Millenials can admit they are wrong too and fix it. You don't know Dale or what he stood for at all.

Dale 100% embraced corporate America. Started DEI, was in on I think it was Sports Image, trademarked his signature, and so on. Yes, I know Trump “spoke” to us blue collar types. And I for a bit was eating up his BS, but he was never blue collar, and I’ve never liked him since the 90’s no matter what political letter you put by his name.

You realize you are stereotyping just as King was, and neither of you is 100% correct or 100% wrong. You all and society wanna paint people in these (not a nice word)(not a nice word)(not a nice word)(not a nice word) boxes and slap labels on them to suit your views. My kids go to a (not a nice word)(not a nice word)(not a nice word)(not a nice word) good PUBLIC school and it is parenting that teaches them how to view things. Not the schools, parenting. Kids are how are they because of their parents, and hate to burst your bubble, but that also crosses political boundaries. Millennials are who they are because of the parents. The same people who complain about the millennials need to look in the mirror, they created the very thing they bitch about.

NASCAR needs to embrace the new and the old, they just did wayyy too much of the new, and said fu to the old.

And I’m not trying to pick on you, but public schools surely are not the issue. Most of us can not afford private schools, and those of us with children when we pick where to live, we look at the schools ratings. And I don’t want my kids in private schools anyway. I want them to see all social backgrounds, not just those who can afford the crazy amount it costs for a private education. I went to public schools also, they did not shape me. My parents, and life shaped me, not some school.

NASCAR just needs to incorporate both new and old, and do away with some of the cookie cutter tracks and instill a different points system. Somehow combine the new and old possibly. And add some tracks with flavor. Rockingham as I’d mentioned earlier, and North Wilkesboro. Couple of road courses too, like the Gilles Villenvue??.

[RiffRaf67]

Top 10 reasons
Why Nascar can kiss my ass:

Re-writing history. Dale didnt win 7 SPRINT cups, he won 7 WINSTON cups.
Out of Bounds.
Competition Yellows.
The Chase.
Swig points and all the other sponsor bull(not a nice word)(not a nice word)(not a nice word)(not a nice word).
Penalties for cussing and fighting.
Green White Checker.
Mystery Debris Cautions.
Closed Pit Road to spectators.
Pit Road Speed.
Restrictor Plates.
Digger.
Sponsored in car cams.
Every politically correct interview ever.

[King1]

Youre right i dont know what dale stood for because i never was a fan, i have never been a bandwagoner. I grew up in the 90's and the only races he ran good was 98 daytona 500, 99 bristol, 2000 atlanta, 2000 talladega. Ray Evernham will forever (in my opinion) be the most influential person in nascar history. His ideas are still seen today with all nascar teams, chad knaus perfected the ray evernham system and has been more successful than anybody.

[CIRF]

Once again my quote option won't work (would someone figure out why and correct it!!)but CnBF sums it up nicely throughout his post, especially the first paragraph. Well done CnBF.

[Josh Bayko]

@ c & b

I totally agree with more road courses. Circuit of the Americas and Laguna Seca should absolutely be on the schedule at least, and Road Atlanta, Road America and Mid Ohio should be considered.

[rickybrown1952]

I personally dont want to see rules opened up, then you'd ser everybody chasing some f1 bs like a blown diffuser. The 1.5 mile tracks are the best they have. Charlotte is not texas and texas isnt atlantaCalifornia isnt michigan by no means.The new repaves are killing the on track product due to speeds.The front splitter needs to goStop hanging on to dale sr, hes been dead for 17 years and ive watched some awesome races since then.They'll never be on dirt because the cars arent made for it and a dirt track couldnt hold enough people to pay the purseThe points system inst great but in order to be relevant in todays sports world, fans crave authenticity. Winston pulling out didnt destroy the sport.I watched some real snoozers growing up at plenty of tracks not 1.5 mile tracks.With todays politics and division amongst two parties, nascar and massive fuel consumption, ozone depletion, drunks, trump supporters, and guns arent widely accepted in the liberal camp. Not every nascar race attendee back then were republicans.Brian France endorsing trump hurt the sport because it essentially lost half its fan base.The rules have been ultra tight since the late 90's, it was never really made public til the recent yearsTight body rules has forced extra wind tunnel time and exploitation of grey areas that are diffucult to achieve with low budget teams so maybe the camera inspection station needs to go.Nascar circa 2000, 2001, or 2002, would be a joke in 2018.Nobody will replace dale sr because the fans will never let it happen even though Jimmie Johnson, Jeff Gordon, and Tony Stewart are better drivers. The problem with that is new people will never try the sport because all the nostalgic people say "it aint worth a quarter since dale died on that tragic day in daytona 17 years ago"Nascar drivers arent country boys anymore, theyre respected, well rounded, lean, in shape, and wreck more people today to win than dale sr did, but they get called dale sr wannabes rather than get applauded for it like dale sr did.The day the nostalgic fans shuts up and lets go of dale sr, winston cigarettes, old points systems, and pieces of junk off the showroom floor then maybe the talk about nascar would be more positive and actually spark peoples interest in goingWho in their right mind would buy a ford fusion off the showroom floor, take a mile of wire out, backup camera, touch screen dash, two heater cores, an a/c system, trash the doors and make new ones from sheet metal, salvage the front bumper and rear bumper, lose the unibody structure and build a tube chassis to make a race car??? Why dont the manufacturer just supply us with the nose and rear bumper and let us make a sophisticated race car that looks similar to whats on showroom floor.Oh wait thats what we are doing now because it makes sense.In closing, nascar will never grow until its nostalgic fan base gets rid of the bag phone and upgrades to an iphone and realizes that everything changes and we need to embrace it. Not call it a SOB quit watching because richard childress brought back the number 3.

Their is no way nascar lost 1/2 of its fan base just cause mr. France endorsed president trump jmo.

[Cardirt0]

Stock bodied cars would be a big thing. hard to Cheer for a Camaro that dont look like a Camaro. No Yellow at the end of a the stage point just give them the points, Why stop the race thats Dumb. If you got 46 cars start 46 cars. The track will hold them if you there and got a car you should race.. and thats just a start of whats needed.
No wind tunnel testing. no shakers that cost 400000 bucks. Or if you use a shaker all can use the same shaker but put a time limit on it for all of them.

[Cardirt0]

Just think a Dodge Challenger,and Z28 ls6 Camaro and a Mustang and the other car Toyota have the 86 LOL Now lets race.

[Josh Bayko]

Just think a Dodge Challenger,and Z28 ls6 Camaro and a Mustang and the other car Toyota have the 86 LOL Now lets race.

Toyota is bringing back the Supra, or they could use the Lexus RC-F.

[Cardirt0]

Toyota is bringing back the Supra, or they could use the Lexus RC-F.

When i punched in Toyota them did not come up. Though there was more not a T fan. Lexus forgot about them.. But it would be better with real car bodys..

[CIRF]

Ray Evernham will forever (in my opinion) be the most influential person in nascar history. His ideas are still seen today with all nascar teams, chad knaus perfected the ray evernham system and has been more successful than anybody.

More successful than anybody? It would be very, very hard to find anyone connected to, or has any knowledge whatsoever about NASCAR racing that would not rank Dale Inman ahead of either Evernham or Knaus in regards to success as a Cup crew chief. Just so we're clear here, Dale Inman won 8 Cup Championships working with 2 different drivers and has more Cup victories as a crew chief than anyone. A LOT more! Dale Inman was the original prototype for the present day NASCAR Cup crew chief with innovations such as delegation of duties of the various crew members and was the first to devise driver/pit radio communications. You're welcome to your opinion but the numbers and facts do not support it.

[Clayton_Wetter]

C & B the schools were much different before LBJ implemented the Department of Education. Now they do influence our children, sadly. They even co-opt them for agendas like gun control, money and political causes are working on our children's minds and the DOE needs to be abolished. Many Colleges are becoming places of controlled thinking and the end of free speech and opinions.

Too much to point out and this is a section for race talk I know.

[Josh Bayko]

When i punched in Toyota them did not come up. Though there was more not a T fan. Lexus forgot about them.. But it would be better with real car bodys..

It’s not coming back till’ 19 or 20, I forget which year. It’s actually a collaboration with BMW and is going to use the same platform as the BMW Z4.

[Clayton_Wetter]

To me NASCAR is ran by people who thought change was for the better and they started ruining a good thing when "The Chase" was created and has only gotten worse since.