You know what makes a race car cheaper?

[RaceEngineer]

Huck,Maybe you really are fast. You just handicap yourself too much with tires.

[musolino21]

I agree with Jon’s suggestion of limiting the spoiler angle. That’s a rule that can be easily enforced and the teams can easily follow. If sanctions and tracks went with one LM40 rule, I’d be cool with it as well. You can limit grooving tires to take some edges away. There are some rules about “no siping”, but I’ve seen top teams continue to sipe even when the rules were applied. By the end of the race the sipes will be worn off, but sipes we’re still used during the event.

[RaceEngineer]

Limiting grooving kills the little guy again.

[hucktyson]

Serious question do you think you or
Me are smarter about cutting and siping for conditions than Scott Bloomquist ?? On the ungrooved unsiped lm 20’s they wore like concrete at eldora , on a grooved siped 20 you can torch the right front in 5 or 6 laps if you are tight .... not to mention it takes about a minute to replace an untouched tire and be back to racing , not everyone pays a tire guy to handle it. The grooving and siping helps the little guy narritive I always hear is absolute BS

[musolino21]

As a small team, I’m no professional at knowing the right grooves and sipes to make for track conditions. I have my patterns, but not the experience as top tire guys. Therefore, if no grooving or siping is permitted, then that levels the playing field a little bit in my small team’s favor. Plus, working 40 hours or more and having a family, my time is limited to work on the car and not having to sipe and groove will save time. That’s another issue I hear from competitors that they don’t have time to work on the car. Just speaking for myself.

[RaceEngineer]

What am I supposed to do with a tire with no edges? Throw it away? If I can cut it, I will fix it. Don't spend too much time racing Bloomquist, so I don't care. Did dohm cut his tires better at prp than Bloomquist?I re-edge tires all the time. It don't take long to groove when you don't change many. As poor folks operate. Noo grooves is for rich lazy folks who feel inferior.

[RaceEngineer]

If the guy who has 4 stickers every time is deterred by the work, I have a better chance he won't have new ones.

[RaceEngineer]

What do I do when it's half worn out and needs more cuts to get the rubber moving again? I'm poor. I can't buy a new one yet. Bloomer got his free.

[hucktyson]

Here’s the problem with the argument. It pretends that people run new tires until they are worn before the grove them. Which Is not the case. Everyone takes new tires and cuts and sipes them to the max before they are run. Are your worn out tires that are grooved and siped going to outrun their brand new tires that are grooved and siped ??

[hucktyson]

Bloomer doesn’t get his free

[hucktyson]

If everyone grooves or no one grooves it’s a level playing field without the extra work or tire wear

[ZERO25]

Hike all you want with no spoiler.

Ive never been to a street stock race that didn't have spoilers.....I assumed that was a given!

[RaceEngineer]

You put a new one on. I can't afford it. I could have grooved my worn tire. You just cost me money

[RaceEngineer]

Ive never been to a street stock race that didn't have spoilers.....I assumed that was a given!

Ump mods don't have them. LM don't need them. We have been discussing aero as the problem.

[RaceEngineer]

Bloomer used to get at least 100 free. Don't know now.