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  • Josh Bayko
    Senior Member
    • May 2007
    • 8734

    #46
    Originally posted by Illtsate32 View Post
    Rules making things more expensive is a myth...
    Depends entirely on the rules in question. There are definitely rules that have been made that have increased costs.
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    • Illtsate32
      Senior Member
      • Jun 2015
      • 3079

      #47
      Well, the "sitting on a pile of new shocks" theory, let that be a lesson learned dont spend outlandishly driving up the price of racing in the first place, those people who are sitting on a pile of new shocks and bodies are not who im concerned about..the middle of the road racer who doesnt own the astronomical shocks and components that should be outlawed however, are...

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      • Illtsate32
        Senior Member
        • Jun 2015
        • 3079

        #48
        they change bodies and shocks like changing underwear, the new rules what they must buy will be cheaper, so I dont see how a rule makes it more expensive that argument dont hold water...

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        • Stefan2k4
          Senior Member
          • May 2018
          • 266

          #49
          Your argument is that Any and all rules are pointless ....
          Where did I say "all" rules are pointless? Strawman argument! I said rules can have unintended consequences. Besides "pointless" has nothing to do with what's being discussed. What's being discuss is how rules impact cost. Rules can be implemented for various reason, some of which have nothing to do with cost. So a rule may have a point but that point may have nothing to do with cost. I contend that the Wedge car was killed mainly because of aesthetics. People didn't like the look and this prejudiced their view.

          the new rules what they must buy will be cheaper,
          That's a naive and short sighted assumption. It's naive because it doesn't take into account the nature of motorsports and the fact that race teams and engineers always push the limits. As soon as you impose a limit on them they will start to push that limit and find ways around it. The tighter the box the more extreme and elaborate the workarounds will be and that is how an increase in cost can actually be the result of more restrictive rules. The modern DLM and the way the suspension is setup to hike the rear end up in the air is a prime example of this.
          Last edited by Stefan2k4; 11-27-2018, 11:23 PM.

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          • MasterSbilt_Racer
            Senior Member
            • May 2007
            • 14303

            #50
            Originally posted by Stefan2k4 View Post
            Yes, their primitive in comparison to DLM, That's the point. DLM suspensions have evolved in the way they have to gain back what they lost. The sanctioning bodies took away the wedge bodies, sheet metal and Lexan, and it has been replaced with elaborate trick suspensions and shocks to achieve the same end. So, what was accomplished by killing the wedge cars? The point is that car owners, crew chiefs, car builders, engineers, or drivers will always seek a way to make a car go faster by exploiting whatever advantages are available and aerodynamics are a big part of that. And anytime you regulate or restrict something they will just develop workarounds to the same end. As such rules have unintended consequences of making things more elaborate, complex, and expensive.

            The sprintcar/openwheel world didn't try to put the genie back in the bottle and outlaw wings. Probably because sprintcars stop looking like regular cars long before DLMs did. Maybe they made the wiser choice.
            The wedge was reinstated by body creep. Then accentuated by the suspension. The genesis of the problem is the car body changing from what it was 15 years ago.

            In some instances, your argument has merit, in this situation, it does not.
            Last edited by MasterSbilt_Racer; 11-28-2018, 09:16 AM.
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            • crownman25
              Senior Member
              • Feb 2013
              • 442

              #51
              dont forget about the lieing shock/consulting guys that take your money and dont give you all the info and drain your wallet telling you need this and that...

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