Dirt Late Model racing becomes NASCAR!

[hucktyson]

Since the Yankees and Red Sox don’t think there should be a salary cap does that mean their shouldn’t be ?? Why are there any rules ??? Why not side boards ? Inerters , titanium and carbon fiber everything with any type of electronics you want ?? Why not that ?? If you can’t afford a million dollar car you have no business racing at the local speedway for 1200 to win right ???

[hucktyson]

Your absolutely right you have no impact at all . You don’t own a race car , you don’t drive a race car so your opinion that everything is great means absolutely nothing.

[TMaCiLLiNi39]

Attended my first World this year, and for all the people saying how wild and ruly people get, I didnt see it..I seen maybe two people who were noticeably intoxicated but were very friendly in the food line..other than that just a lot of race fans and family. It was too cold to catch a buzz anyway...but for the little latina girl from Michigan said she was a Bloomer fan, she had a good one going lol...

Your statement is highly misleading.... this years world 100 was rained out after 1 rainy delayed night to an October day when the Friday night portion was postponed till Saturday morning because of rain and SNOW! the show was all ran in 1 day in freezing temps... this wasn’t a normal 80 degree sun filled World 100 weekend. So to say you didn’t see the wild and craziness... well ofcoarse you didn’t you moron....

[play4kps]

Wow, the name calling on here is unbelievable, Thats why topics that are important to the racing future are always deleted! Huck is right about the 1200 to win statement! And sadly their are people on here that think if Crates went away, their would be more late models, those guys would be done or go to stocks. The people who love this sport voices need to be heard, maybe its pointless. But maybe some track owners or series big wigs read some posts and think it thru. Maybe its wishful thinking. But I for one dont want to sit by and be foolish enough to say nothing or just say its inevitable. There is still a chance that some logic can be brought back in. Slim but a chance. Sadly it all starts with getting the shock companies banners down at both series and more even payouts than these top heavy purses.

[MasterSbilt_Racer]

Yeah, just like how crazy aero just about killed sprint car racing when some idiots decided to slap a big ole wing on top. It's a good thing the world of outlaws, and others quickly outlawed them and made them remove those monstrosities. Oh, wait a minute! They didn't! In fact they embraced it and nowadays winged sprint cars are more popular than un winged sprint cars! Go figure?

And isn't it interesting that if you look at the suspension and engine in a winged sprint car and how much it's changed over the years, it really hasn't changed much at all. In fact, winged sprint cars overall haven't changed nearly as much as DLMs have. Look what's happened with DLM suspensions since the wedge car was outlawed. On the other the sprint car still has pretty much the same suspension, solid axles and torsion bars. Wonder why? Could it be that when in knee jerk reaction sanctioning bodies implement rules to restrict classes, the engineers immediately go to work find workarounds? Nah, that makes too much sense!

In my opinion, what really killed the wedge cars, was that many people hated them because they thought they were ugly and didn't look like real cars. I personally loved the wedge cars and thought they were a thing of beauty. But, alas, beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Anyway, it's interesting, I think, To compare and contrast the difference in the way the late model racing community reacted when aero became a big player in the sport versus the way the Open wheel/ sprint car world reacted. One jumped to attempt eradicate it while the other simply embraced and accepted it. And which is better off today?

Wings may be popular, but there are less of them. And the car is extremely primitive.

[MasterSbilt_Racer]

Huck has plenty of experience with the sport. Much more than a lot of guys you idolize NormP.

[Barbecueboy]

The problem is the people on 4m cant even agree to disagree. Norm the idea of watching and letting this sport die and do nothing is pure foolishness! So many on here gauge the success of this sport based on big events and nothing else. A lot of us on here are passionate and love local racing and like the idea of the sport staying strong. And its not about sitting and moaning, its about voices of drivers and fans speaking their mind about saving this great sport!

The major touring series are a treat to watch but the regional series and the weekly racing are the meat and potatoes of this thing.

I'd rather eat a good pork chop and baked potato than a small plate with sushi and caviar any day......racing won't ever die, maybe just a few forms of it because of stupidity , hard heads and greed.

[Barbecueboy]

Huck has plenty of experience with the sport. Much more than a lot of guys you idolize NormP.

True , but if fans quit coming to watch I don't think huck or anyone else would be racing a slm.

I think huck is a pompous idiot most times but he does have some valid opinions about cost cutting and keeping it sensible.

[Phatdaddy]

I think the sanction bodies are in a bit of a conundrum CnB Fan. If the premier teams don't like a ruling, then they can threaten to go to the other series. I believe that is what triggered the Rumley Rule 3 years ago. It makes it even more complicated to police new cars every year when the manufacturers are title sponsors.

People complain that Nascar is a dictatorship because there is no competing series, and the teams are forced to abide by rules and penaties.
So you either have a multiple series that allow corners to be cut, or you have one supreme series that the fans tend to hate.

Just my opinion.

[play4kps]

And sadly lucas has become nascar. People complain about Francis, we all know the rules are bent mostly for lucas regulars. People on this forum act and believe lucas oil series is god and anything else is irrelevant. Other than the world and dream. I mean we get 6 pages on bloomquist running a crate. Geez.

[MI Dirt Fan]

Since when did 6 replace 4???

[Stefan2k4]

Wings may be popular, but there are less of them. And the car is extremely primitive.

Yes, their primitive in comparison to DLM, That's the point. DLM suspensions have evolved in the way they have to gain back what they lost. The sanctioning bodies took away the wedge bodies, sheet metal and Lexan, and it has been replaced with elaborate trick suspensions and shocks to achieve the same end. So, what was accomplished by killing the wedge cars? The point is that car owners, crew chiefs, car builders, engineers, or drivers will always seek a way to make a car go faster by exploiting whatever advantages are available and aerodynamics are a big part of that. And anytime you regulate or restrict something they will just develop workarounds to the same end. As such rules have unintended consequences of making things more elaborate, complex, and expensive.

The sprintcar/openwheel world didn't try to put the genie back in the bottle and outlaw wings. Probably because sprintcars stop looking like regular cars long before DLMs did. Maybe they made the wiser choice.

[hucktyson]

Your argument is that Any and all rules are pointless ....

[Illtsate32]

Rules making things more expensive is a myth...

[dirtcrazy4u]

I'll state you are so wrong. So if your sitting on a pile of new shocks you just purchased and then find out 6 weeks later that they changed rules making them useless. Then what ? Who is going to buy then ? Everyone talks about bodies. Today they have a body that you can run just about anywhere. What happens if they say flat decks ? No more elephant ear nose pcs. Today's bodies are not cheap.