Dirt Late Model racing becomes NASCAR!

[chupp n bloomer fan]

And lets face it, it that was Bloomer or Pierce at Big e, they would have overlooked the Weiss incident and they would have been racing. Eldora probably makes a pretty penny on the Bloomquist and Pierce shirt sales! I would bet 60% of the people buying the Bloomquist, Pierce and Eldora shirts at the world, know little or nothing about the driver and even less about the sport, they just want to be seen wearing the shirt of the winner.

I think the fans of most of these drivers know more than you think about the drivers. And I don’t think they’d overlook it, they didn’t have the choice. It was “brought “ to their attention, they had no choice but to act. It helped Bronson become the 2018 World 100 winner.

[golddirt]

I have niether of those shirts

[chupp n bloomer fan]

I have niether of those shirts

Aliens have landed hanging in the closet.

[MI Dirt Fan]

I would bet 60% of the people buying the Bloomquist, Pierce and Eldora shirts at the world, know little or nothing about the driver and even less about the sport, they just want to be seen wearing the shirt of the winner.

Wtf are you talking about? Why would people spend $25-$30+ for shirts of a driver they know nothing about? If they know nothing about the sport why would they spend $100's of dollars to attend?

[play4kps]

Because sadly the World and Dream are more about partying than racing, this has been the trend for a long time now! I would venture to say 40 to 50% of the crowd is there more for the party than the race!

[Illtsate32]

Attended my first World this year, and for all the people saying how wild and ruly people get, I didnt see it..I seen maybe two people who were noticeably intoxicated but were very friendly in the food line..other than that just a lot of race fans and family. It was too cold to catch a buzz anyway...but for the little latina girl from Michigan said she was a Bloomer fan, she had a good one going lol...

[dirtcrazy4u]

What hurt indy car racing, MONEY. What is killing nascrap, MONEY. If you look at were all these teams are spending it it's in hiring engineers to design every corner of a race car. MONEY IS KILLING SLM RACING ALSO. Rayburn's were simple. Leaf spring cars. During those years you saw some of the best late model racing out there. You saw guys that were able to repair cars in there garages over the weekend. Heck, today you unload the second 100k car and drop the other off at the chassis builder. As soon as it's repaired, or sooner, it goes on the market for sale so you can pay for the new one.

Yea, I saw francis come down on guys, and as soon as he turned his back they reversed what he made a point about. You know the funny thing, they still run mid pack at best.

The motor builders and shock manufactures are raping people. Rumley has been rumored to be in NC, WV and GA in giving Longhorn, Rocket and BWRC direction. Others have done nothing but get one of said cars and copied the darn thing.

So, I ask ! What's hurting SLM racing. MO MONEY please.

[MI Dirt Fan]

I don't see how sitting on here is going to fix anything. Just alot of hot air blowing around.

[NormP]

How about if you can't afford it, you either drop down a class or find a new hobby. Then if late model racing dies from lack of interest, so be it. Problem solved.

[hucktyson]

Norm clowns like you are what killed nascar .... A couple dudes willing to pay whatever it took no matter to prove how big their dongs and how deep their pockets were .... forced out the guys who actually loved the sport , then those guys eventually had enough of spending like that and they quit at quick point no one was left. Just like the tracks kept making them
Fancier and fancier and the ticket prices higher and higher to appease the country club members ... the novelty wore off for the rich people and by the point the real fans were long gone now the tracks buy tarps to hide the unsold seats .... There’s no reason dirt track racing needs to be a money spending contest. Prior to 2015 cars weren’t hiked to the moon and everything was just fine , the device allowed massive hike while controlling rear stear independently and dominated with aero so guys found other ways to get the same aero and allow massive power to be put down. Racing should be about driving and getting your set up right for that track at that moment not whoever can get their rear end the highest and front end the lowest for air to glue the car down ... it makes for small fields and bad racing ... if crazy aero was good for the spot it wouldn’t have been outlawed in the mid 80’s

[play4kps]

The problem is the people on 4m cant even agree to disagree. Norm the idea of watching and letting this sport die and do nothing is pure foolishness! So many on here gauge the success of this sport based on big events and nothing else. A lot of us on here are passionate and love local racing and like the idea of the sport staying strong. And its not about sitting and moaning, its about voices of drivers and fans speaking their mind about saving this great sport!

[chupp n bloomer fan]

Because sadly the World and Dream are more about partying than racing, this has been the trend for a long time now! I would venture to say 40 to 50% of the crowd is there more for the party than the race!

While I agree when it’s held in September and the weather is nice, you aren’t far off on amount of people getting tipsy, it doesn’t mean most don’t know about their favorite drivers. And obviously I’m excluding the ones who get fallen down, passed out, puking, wanting to fight drunk. But the ones who are just having a good time can still be passionate about their drivers.

[Stefan2k4]

if crazy aero was good for the spot it wouldn’t have been outlawed in the mid 80’s

Yeah, just like how crazy aero just about killed sprint car racing when some idiots decided to slap a big ole wing on top. It's a good thing the world of outlaws, and others quickly outlawed them and made them remove those monstrosities. Oh, wait a minute! They didn't! In fact they embraced it and nowadays winged sprint cars are more popular than un winged sprint cars! Go figure?

And isn't it interesting that if you look at the suspension and engine in a winged sprint car and how much it's changed over the years, it really hasn't changed much at all. In fact, winged sprint cars overall haven't changed nearly as much as DLMs have. Look what's happened with DLM suspensions since the wedge car was outlawed. On the other the sprint car still has pretty much the same suspension, solid axles and torsion bars. Wonder why? Could it be that when in knee jerk reaction sanctioning bodies implement rules to restrict classes, the engineers immediately go to work find workarounds? Nah, that makes too much sense!

In my opinion, what really killed the wedge cars, was that many people hated them because they thought they were ugly and didn't look like real cars. I personally loved the wedge cars and thought they were a thing of beauty. But, alas, beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Anyway, it's interesting, I think, To compare and contrast the difference in the way the late model racing community reacted when aero became a big player in the sport versus the way the Open wheel/ sprint car world reacted. One jumped to attempt eradicate it while the other simply embraced and accepted it. And which is better off today?

[champion24]

Well most of what you wrote is correct but the main problem with local tracks is that 90% of them either got a one lane race track or they want to race all night I've preached about it for years and now it is catching up with them if you've got a race track you better put on a show that don't last all night.

I agree 100% 3wide! I plan on very few true local shows next year. Sorry to say that in some ways! But "racers" want to qualify, race on a no passing track, and have a fastest car show!! And track owners allow it! Then complain about people not being in the stands! Tho the back gate is doing ok, with all the different classes!

[NormP]

Huck clowns like you are why people don’t want to visit 4m much any more. I have no impact on the sport, other than buying a ticket and watching the races. If you think that’s killing the sport maybe you should quit believing your own BS.

You spout off with all the “answers” but apparently no one who actually has any experience with the sport agrees with you. That says more than any long winded rant you type out, no matter how many times you repeat it.