Open Letter to UMP

[RaceEngineer]

Spring in front of axle does nothing. A lot of other good ideas here though.

[Josh Bayko]

Spot on post right here, folks. The only things I would add is the tread width must be the identical front and rear and the four wheels must measure out square. Still only need a tape measure to do that.

I tend to think the body rules I proposed would reign a lot of the wild track width differences in all by itself.

I’m not really a fan of outlawing suspension pieces. The costs associated with replacing that stuff far outweighs the cost of new sheet metal and noses.

[CIRF]

I readily admit that it's been over a decade and a half since I've been involved with a dirt late model and that makes me totally ignorant of how things are on the cars today, I have no illusions about that. However, it seems like it would be a rather simple procedure to determine whether the front tread width is the same and is in line with the rear. But then again, I've been out of the loop for so long that.............

[TackyTracker]

Hopefully people that read this realize that it has to change.. I'm not an engineer,driver,owner,sponsor or promoter but a FAN that wants to keep going and PAYING..

FIX IT

[grt74]

racing cost is up and pay out is down (weekly) until thats fixed i don't see a fix, and it is costing track owners more to run too, one of the biggest issues i see, several different classes, all we need is supers, mods-open wheels, street, and 4 cylinders, its ok to go down in a class-its still racing

[dirtcrazy4u]

Aero is by far the cheapest way out. By changing bodies it opens up a hole new set of problems. The downforce that would be taken away would create a situation where you mite as well toss the set up book out the window. You've now made teams spend more money to try to come up with some other way to gain that advantage back. You've got guys in lucas and wrg that see exactly what's going on. Weekly SLM racing will never be what it was. Local teams are picking and choosing were they want to run. Many teams are going that route today. Do I have the answer, NO and neither does anyone else.

[RaceEngineer]

Aero is by far the cheapest way out. By changing bodies it opens up a hole new set of problems. The downforce that would be taken away would create a situation where you mite as well toss the set up book out the window. You've now made teams spend more money to try to come up with some other way to gain that advantage back. You've got guys in lucas and wrg that see exactly what's going on. Weekly SLM racing will never be what it was. Local teams are picking and choosing were they want to run. Many teams are going that route today. Do I have the answer, NO and neither does anyone else.

Absolutely nothing wrong with tossing the setup book out the window. Taking tons of grip away is the point. Your feared result is the goal. We want to hit the reset button and lower the ceiling of how much traction is possible. You think setups stayed the same when UMP took the humper tires and wedge bodies away? Did it not open the gates for the Golden Age?

[EvelB7]

They need to fix the bodies... Aero grip is easy and cheap, yes; however it creates poor racing. The best races are created when you have less grip and are forced to lift the gas. It comes down to who can a)drive into the corner deeper or b) get back to the throttle first. Very little of throttle time with current down force and a bigger issue is that the car is so dependent on the air you 'stall out' or get a severe push when you get close to someone.

[dirtcrazy4u]

Ok, so I'm steve francis. I say 2019 we bring a spec shock to the RF and LR, Monroe Matic LOL,. Toss out your shock package, you get to the track and you come on over to the lucas trailer and I'll hand you the shocks you need to bolt on. WRG would be elated to hear that. The WoO would be saying, told you so. Either side doesn't want to stick there neck out in fear of something like that happening. O, by the way, remember I'm SF. I win the lucas 2019 title and tell all. I'm not washed up yet.

[RaceEngineer]

Ok, so I'm steve francis. I say 2019 we bring a spec shock to the RF and LR, Monroe Matic LOL,. Toss out your shock package, you get to the track and you come on over to the lucas trailer and I'll hand you the shocks you need to bolt on. WRG would be elated to hear that. The WoO would be saying, told you so. Either side doesn't want to stick there neck out in fear of something like that happening. O, by the way, remember I'm SF. I win the lucas 2019 title and tell all. I'm not washed up yet.

No one is suggesting that option. Shocks are not really an issue anyway. You can still win with ones you bought 8 years ago. However, a car from 4 years ago needs completely rebuilt to put a new decking in it.

[dirtcrazy4u]

Yea but if you get a RF shock on that doesn't pin the nose down and a LR that raises the corner up into the air I think it would make a huge difference. Same shocks 8 yrs ? There only a body today, guys are revalving them over and over. Every part today is replaceable. My Monroe matics can do it.

[RaceEngineer]

Yea but if you get a RF shock on that doesn't pin the nose down and a LR that raises the corner up into the air I think it would make a huge difference. Same shocks 8 yrs ? There only a body today, guys are revalving them over and over. Every part today is replaceable. My Monroe matics can do it.

Revalving the shock is cheap. The guys crying about shock costs jump from brand to brand 3 times a year.The car attitude genie is out of the bottle. No shock rules will completely eliminate that.

[Kromulous]

6" Spoiler.

No Bump stops, and only one spring rubber per wheel.

6 springs max, no dual springs per corner.

You would cripple the current SLMs.

[MasterSbilt_Racer]

6" Spoiler.

No Bump stops, and only one spring rubber per wheel.

6 springs max, no dual springs per corner.

You would cripple the current SLMs.

I hate suspension rules. Tech struggles with a tape measure. The guy running second every week will have his bump inside his shock. Maybe they will catch the winner.

[rmrc]

Bumps inside the shocks....that's why I didn't suggest trying to put the horse back in the barn with shock rules. The worst rules are the ones that you can't enforce.