How long before we lose Hud to NASCAR?

[WisWildManFan]

Hudson O’Neal would win in a kunz midget

[Josh Bayko]

Those Kunz rides have a pay to play element to em too.

[kidrock]

I'd be curious to know what exactly OEM money is. Larson had much of his dirt success driving midgets that were powered by Toyota engines. Do ya' suppose Toyota paid for him to get a ride for a Chevrolet team? That's richly ironic, wouldn't ya' say.

Larson got noticed because he's the best all around dirt driver since the days of Hewitt and Stewart. The first time he ever raced a full bodied stock car he won, on asphalt, no less. As a rookie he won the K&N All Pro Championship.

Like I said, it's documented Ganassi approached the Larson family before Larson had even a whiff of a NASCAR. Lets just say it was the diversity deal that got Larson all that money to go drive for Ganassi and not his talent and guts. How is it that CBell and Chase Briscoe got where they are? Neither of their family's have "buy a ride" money and neither have a smidgen of minority lineage. Briscoe won the ARCA championship with authority in 2016 winning 6 races, 4 in a row. It's safe to say that is what got Briscoe noticed because even though his background is dirt open wheel racing he wasn't nearly as impressive as Larson & Bell in dirt open wheel cars.


Hud has one impressive outing in a wingless 410 at Brownstown, but his midget efforts have been less than stellar. Bottom line is if Hud is good enough and puts up the gaudy win numbers in the big races he'll get noticed, money or no money.

And if Larson ever gets away from Ganassi they would see how good he really is, just my thoughts

[Clayton_Wetter]

What is this "we" business????

[WisWildManFan]

Those Kunz rides have a pay to play element to em too.

Oh for sure... just saying Helen Keller would have a shot in one of those rides. Kyle Larson, Christopher bell, chase briscoe, tyler red(not a nice word)(not a nice word)(not a nice word)(not a nice word), Erik Jones, and any other young nascar driver has been in top notch equipment since they have started racing. The absolute truth is there are drivers at your local track with much more talent then most of the nascar drivers. This is the only sport where money is needed to display your true talents and potential.

[King1]

My best friend Jim was pretty tight with Dale Jr thru sim racing. He asked Dale to drive one of his late models (he had a solid street stock and kart record). Dale Jr said it would cost him 5k per race and would get a test session and a say at the shop to get fitted in the car. Dale Jr was nice enough to get Iracing to throw 5k in and Jim's parents threw in 5k.
The two races were ran in the same night at motor mile (twin 100's) he finished better than Dale Jr's hired gun in both races after constant nagging on the radio from LW Miller to not wreck the car and not to make a habit of using the apron to turn it.
He finished 8th in the first race and 6th in the second race in his first time out.
Dale Jr called him and congratulated him on some good runs and said "bring 100k to the table and we'll run a whole season."

I say that to say this, NASCAR's business model sucks and there are plenty of people you see racing on TV that shouldn't be at the level they are.
If DLM racing paved a way to NASCAR you would see the same business model, but for now it's a tax write off for rich guys who own septic companies, chassis companies, car dealerships etc.

[Highwayman]

If a driver has enough talent, guts and persistence it's still possible to attain a NASCAR ride without bringing a pile of cash. I can name no less than 3 drivers who are competing right now in the top two divisions of NASCAR whose family's did not bankroll their NASCAR opportunities. 1 of those 3 drivers is 2nd in the Infinity point standings and another is 6th. One of those 3 drivers received a million dollar winners share at Charlotte, NC Saturday night.

The 3 drivers your referring to came thru driver development programs in open wheel, mainly midgets. The powers that be aren't looking at DLM for driving talent these days, the "trend" is thru open wheel and mainly KKM. Regardless of Hud's talent, which he has in spades, if he wants to get noticed for Nascar he needs to put some time in, in a midget and more than just the chilli bowl, he'll need to leave DLM to be noticed. Sadly those are the facts as I see it today.

[Tireguy17]

Id expect Bell to be in Cup next year. There have been rumors about Levine, who is a Gibbs-affiliated team, adding a 2nd Cup car next year. With Gibbs having a full roster that makes the most sense.

[NormP]

If I were a hotshot dirt driver, I'd set my sights higher than NASCAR if I planned to leave. I'd be looking at something like the IMSA SportsCar Championship or one of the Formula series.

[dirtcrazy4u]

Norm P. Those 2 series won't pay what he can make in a SLM and run the lucas or better yet a true outlaw schedule.
IMSA is you better have a ton of road racing experience and the formula series is just for wanna bee's with a lot of money. Or there backing there kids to get them in something better.

[Josh Bayko]

Sports car racing on the lower levels doesn't pay a dime, at least here in America.

[chupp n bloomer fan]

My best friend Jim was pretty tight with Dale Jr thru sim racing. He asked Dale to drive one of his late models (he had a solid street stock and kart record). Dale Jr said it would cost him 5k per race and would get a test session and a say at the shop to get fitted in the car. Dale Jr was nice enough to get Iracing to throw 5k in and Jim's parents threw in 5k.
The two races were ran in the same night at motor mile (twin 100's) he finished better than Dale Jr's hired gun in both races after constant nagging on the radio from LW Miller to not wreck the car and not to make a habit of using the apron to turn it.
He finished 8th in the first race and 6th in the second race in his first time out.
Dale Jr called him and congratulated him on some good runs and said "bring 100k to the table and we'll run a whole season."

I say that to say this, NASCAR's business model sucks and there are plenty of people you see racing on TV that shouldn't be at the level they are.
If DLM racing paved a way to NASCAR you would see the same business model, but for now it's a tax write off for rich guys who own septic companies, chassis companies, car dealerships etc.

That’s crazy.

I like Jr, but dam, he can’t find $100k to help sponsor a guy who showed great promise.

[chupp n bloomer fan]

I'd be curious to know what exactly OEM money is. Larson had much of his dirt success driving midgets that were powered by Toyota engines. Do ya' suppose Toyota paid for him to get a ride for a Chevrolet team? That's richly ironic, wouldn't ya' say.

Larson got noticed because he's the best all around dirt driver since the days of Hewitt and Stewart. The first time he ever raced a full bodied stock car he won, on asphalt, no less. As a rookie he won the K&N All Pro Championship.

Like I said, it's documented Ganassi approached the Larson family before Larson had even a whiff of a NASCAR. Lets just say it was the diversity deal that got Larson all that money to go drive for Ganassi and not his talent and guts. How is it that CBell and Chase Briscoe got where they are? Neither of their family's have "buy a ride" money and neither have a smidgen of minority lineage. Briscoe won the ARCA championship with authority in 2016 winning 6 races, 4 in a row. It's safe to say that is what got Briscoe noticed because even though his background is dirt open wheel racing he wasn't nearly as impressive as Larson & Bell in dirt open wheel cars.


Hud has one impressive outing in a wingless 410 at Brownstown, but his midget efforts have been less than stellar. Bottom line is if Hud is good enough and puts up the gaudy win numbers in the big races he'll get noticed, money or no money.

I knew you’d be in to set him straight on Kyle. While I’m sure he’s loyal to Chip for getting him where he is. I think a different ride would be better for him, you?

[TS FAN]

Larson in a top ride would be near unbeatable IMO. Bell is going to be just as good. Both those guys should have top rides IMO

[King1]

We had a meet and greet for our NAPA stores last year with Chase Elliott and someone asked him how he drives a Chevrolet being brought up as a Ford kid.
His response was "when Chevrolet writes your paycheck you'll drive whatever they tell you to.
I asked him later how much the manufacturers were invested in drivers, he said in most cases they are about 1/3 invested in the drivers salary.