How much would changing the body rules help?

[MasterSbilt_Racer]

Bayko,

If they do anything, it will probably be the spec route, you just mentioned. Everyone has to buy all their panels from a manufacturer. You think $500 nose kits are bad? A body will cost more than we have in our roller.

[EvelB7]

I think his biggest downfall was Goodyear tires, not what he was doing with bodies...

I agree, I wasn't referencing the body per say but the way things were run (not bending to the names). The only time I have ever received free tires was running with them...Granted, the quality of the tire sucked but it was a start and everyone had the same junk tire. How much power does a tire manufacturer have?-Extreme is gone and there are races being cancelled in present day as we speak...

[JabberJaws83]

I'm pretty sure he knows that. Those two series are the only things that matter at this point. If they decide a spec hood scoop is needed, it will hit every other set of rules by next year.

Yep, apparently I need to break it all down for numb nutty there. But yeah, you got it.
I woulda thrown Kenneda in there too, but I believe he just does what he’s told from above. Francis was actually brought in to make a difference on enforcing/making rules. I haven’t seen where he had made a lick of difference.
In my opinion, they need to start with the decks.

[MasterSbilt_Racer]

Decks wouldn't be a terrible place to start. They never should have left 36". They should be checked after the race. There shouldn't be any 300# guys bouncing on the rear bumper.

The aero push racing is the fault of the noses as well. Ever put ones from 2000, 2010, and 2021 side by side?

[JabberJaws83]

Yep, between the new noses and the sloped decks, it is indeed a glorified “wedge” car

[MRM]

The #1 problem is getting woo and Lucas to sit down together and come up with a set of rules everyone can agree on.

There have been some preliminary talks between the two. Francis was at the Richmond WoO race going over some things with the tech folks and was later revealed in a driver's meeting that both sides have talked about this, but not to expect any changes for this season. Whether anything happens next season, that remains to be seen. It could be 5-6 months before any changes are announced.

[dirty-white-boy]

Full disclosure. I have not been to a Live DLM event for almost 2 years until this past weekend. Its one thing to watch TV but to see these cars up close is sad to a guy that has followed the sport for 40 plus years. When did the RF stick out over a foot past the RR? All these decks that are dished for the wedge effect. The travel on the RF has to be upwards of 15 inches on some cars! 450 motocross bikes have 12in of travel for comparison.

Seems the only way to pass with the current rules is a slide job type of pass.
Just like Rick Eckert's answer when Rigsby asked him why you dont see many drivers as friends like you used to back in the 90s and 2000's he said "because you pass them going in now"

[Tireguy17]

There have been some preliminary talks between the two. Francis was at the Richmond WoO race going over some things with the tech folks and was later revealed in a driver's meeting that both sides have talked about this, but not to expect any changes for this season. Whether anything happens next season, that remains to be seen. It could be 5-6 months before any changes are announced.

Per the Rigsby Report podcast with Rick Schwallie, Francis was at the WoO Richmond race and WoO officials were to be at the Show Me 100. Its progress.

[chathamracefan]

I'm not a tech guy by any stretch, but it seems something needs to be done. The car counts at a lot of the regional type of shows are way off. You see some $5k shows drawing less than 20 for example. Summernationals counts have dropped off also. Farmer City used to draw 50 plus in the mid 2000's & now runs around 30 or so. This doesn't even begin to speak to the weekly racing scene. The few tracks that run supers in Illinois sometimes struggle to draw 15 cars (outside FALS & the Pevely/Highland combo deal this year). Hopefully both groups realize that & can act before it is too late.

[MasterSbilt_Racer]

Per the Rigsby Report podcast with Rick Schwallie, Francis was at the WoO Richmond race and WoO officials were to be at the Show Me 100. Its progress.

They spend way too much time worrying about banning axle front ends or some ones new shock, if the people making money complain. They care nothing for the elephants in the room.

[Mike]

They spend way too much time worrying about banning axle front ends or some ones new shock, if the people making money complain. They care nothing for the elephants in the room.

I would argue that they turned a blind eye to the elephant in the room while they were busy selling tires.

[MasterSbilt_Racer]

I would argue that they turned a blind eye to the elephant in the room while they were busy selling tires.

That isn't wrong either

[kidrock]

The biggest problem in racing has been not enforcing the rules they already have in place. That has been a problem for many years now and that's not only in the late model class

[YeetIt]

One thing I noticed on the XR1 was the adjustable spoiler trees right off the bat to raise/lower the spoiler. What used to be a pain in the a$$ to adjust/change because we never did now takes seconds. I figured as soon as I saw it that it was designed to be rolled through tech legal and adjusted after and hope they don't check rear deck height afterwards. I remember this getting to be a huge issue in mods as well when a couple of certain drivers started winning every money mod race there was.

[dirtcrazy4u]

You guys keep talking about car counts. Car counts have been dwindling for years. The major players didn't care because there was still enough cars around to give them strong fields. Well those numbers have now caught up to the point that lucas and woo are starting to see it. Sponsor dollars are dropping like a rock. Your local top slm cars that can't afford to or don't want that expense are either getting out or picking and choosing. And as much as I hate to say it, covid has hurt a lot of teams sponsor wise.