How much would changing the body rules help?

[dirtcrazy4u]

In the end. Will body rules or similar rules make much of a difference in car counts. I highly doubt it.

[MasterSbilt_Racer]

In the end. Will body rules or similar rules make much of a difference in car counts. I highly doubt it.

It did back in the early 80s. If the rules add 2 or 3 tenths to a lap time, it brings a lot of budgets back in. The hard part is convincing people they don't have to go broke.

[Mopar DLM]

If they did actually fix some of the body rules what are the chances that some of the older cars out there become competitive again? Might that also help the car count come back some? Some of the people that can't afford a brand new chassis every year or the latest and greatest trick of the week could start racing again and still be halfway competitive and maybe have some fun along the way too.

[EvelB7]

I can only speak for myself, with the current rules you cannot be competitive (even in a regional series) with a bit older equipment these days. Cars are way to easy to hook up and the racing is not as good (in my opinion). My car owner (that nasty crate word) would go super racing in a heart beat if I told him we could be competitive. He cannot afford to put $100,000 in a car. Take away some body and tire, put the driver's feet back into the equation and I would tell him we could give it an honest try...Cars running wide open all of the time just shows who has the deepest pockets (and yes, crates show the same on that scale it is just more affordable). Unfortunately you cannot unscrew the pregnant girlfriend...

[billetbirdcage]

If they did actually fix some of the body rules what are the chances that some of the older cars out there become competitive again? Might that also help the car count come back some? Some of the people that can't afford a brand new chassis every year or the latest and greatest trick of the week could start racing again and still be halfway competitive and maybe have some fun along the way too.

I firmly believe that the number one reason for people to get out and move down to crates or new people not move up from crates to supers is the engine costs. Obviously there are all sorts of costs to run with the larger series just from a competition level so that doesn't really change. What I'm talking about is guys that could run at a certain level like locally or a regional series to guys running small series that could move to a larger one. That being said:

More aero = more grip thus you need more motor = big purchase expense and more importantly more operating expense. Get rid of the grip and a 750HP engine could qualify up front and still have too much power come feature (again for an average track, not all tracks are like this for sure)

It's sort of ridiculous that we have 900 HP 9000+ RPM engines which YES, we may use every bit of it for qualifying but come heat race time or feature never get over 40% throttle and are installing restrictor plates, removing timing, changing carbs, and etc to make it more driver friendly.

I don't really believe that a body change will allow older cars (not updated or modified to something more current) is gonna happen, but it would/might allow that cost to be reduced enough some guys could afford the engine package enough to go back to racing supers.

I asked Andy Durham the cost of parts for a RY45 engine (new build) just a couple weeks ago (all parts, no machining or labor) he said 52K. Add in labor, dyno, machining and parts unique to it:

Oil pump 1600.00
Oil tank 1150.00
Headers 2300.00
carb ???

You get the idea

[Bill31]

I hate these LM now , they look like they were built around a pole lol .

[racedad11]

UMP, Woo and Lucas oil all working together teching cars today. i mean yesturday