JD in clean air is unreal…

[MasterSbilt_Racer]

He won the World 100 in GR Smiths gear running the middle groove. JD is something else.

After Rumley steppedin to assist, that thing was on a rail

[Josh Bayko]

Based on the last few drivers to have dominant years, he’ll be fair to middling at best next year.

[foxfire2dirtracing]

First race Jared Landers has been in a car all year- started mid-pack and came to 6th before retiring with overheating issues. It was in one of Davenport’s cars from last year- pretty impressive to me!

[ZERO25]

Heck.....I bet Ray Charles could get a top 10 in one of Jd's cars right now!

[KTMLew]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=irVZtOaNVrs

[Rajflyboy]

Heck.....I bet Ray Charles could get a top 10 in one of Jd's cars right now!

No kidding

[Pennsboro32]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=irVZtOaNVrs

Passes for the lead at (FALS, USA Nats, Florence, Batesville), last season and the year before? This year, 0. See you can make stats back any argument if you twist it the right way.

I’m no expert but I tend to believe the drivers when they say the droop rule is hurting the racing. Clear air has been around but this year it looks like it means more. Bodies, droop, etc.

I wouldn’t take a sprint car man’s word for anything DLM related.

[KTMLew]

He's Cup tire changer. Probably even worse in your mind.

[MasterSbilt_Racer]

Pennsboro,

The droop rule has hurt a few guys that had their blade higher than others last year. It makes absolutely no sense that it would make the racing worse in general. It has not affected most cars at all, and any reduction in the hole punched in the air would be positive, not negative.

I'm the first to say the rule is stupid, but we have to use logic and scientific reasoning to make a good argument.

[Pennsboro32]

Pennsboro,

The droop rule has hurt a few guys that had their blade higher than others last year. It makes absolutely no sense that it would make the racing worse in general. It has not affected most cars at all, and any reduction in the hole punched in the air would be positive, not negative.

I'm the first to say the rule is stupid, but we have to use logic and scientific reasoning to make a good argument.

I’m not expert but when people who build cars and race them professionally say it’s bad, I have no choice but to believe them.

[MasterSbilt_Racer]

A few people who don't like something say a lot of things. That is a lot of what has gotten to be wrong with the sport. A few "he saids" replaces reality.

I can go to almost any vendor in the sport who is selling something and find claims that defy physics and sell bogus science.

Testimonials are almost worthless. Show Me.

[Pennsboro32]

I do know bodies should be priority #1.

[MasterSbilt_Racer]

I do know bodies should be priority #1.

I agree 100%. That is a way bigger issue than how much a guy drops his wheel out. The front of the cars use the air too much. The nose is less than half the section height of ones 10 years ago. That makes them aero dependent. The middle of the bodies carry too much aero load too. The spoiler? Getting it high does nothing if it isn't there. It's way more effective to end the advantage of doing something than tell someone they can't do it. If there's an advantage to do something, they will find a way to do it.

[lurker]

Pennsboro,

The droop rule has hurt a few guys that had their blade higher than others last year. It makes absolutely no sense that it would make the racing worse in general. It has not affected most cars at all, and any reduction in the hole punched in the air would be positive, not negative.

I'm the first to say the rule is stupid, but we have to use logic and scientific reasoning to make a good argument.

MasterSbilt_Racer,

Can you please tell me the Positives and Negatives regarding droop, droop rule. You’ve politely educated me before when I’ve asked, but droop, droop rule, still miffs me. Especially when I’ve seen it measured after a race (on Flo) --- what are they measuring to and from?

[MasterSbilt_Racer]

Lurker,

They are measuring the distance from the ground to the top of the rear t-bar, at a point 6" in from the lr quarter panel. The measurement is taken after the car is jacked up under the frame rail, below the lr axle tube, until both rear tires are off the ground. The assumed idea is to make all cars essentially the same spoiler height while racing on the track.

The huge negative is that there are countless ways to game the process of taking this measurement, such that it is way less than what the car actually does on the track. This isn't difficult, as the jacking under the frame in no way replicates the forces the car sees on the track.

Even worse yet, there are countless adjustments you could make during the night and inadvertently cause yourself to fail. It's not like every pit stall is perfectly flat or you always have extra time to check after making a hurried adjustment. Something as innocent as a slightly bigger or smaller tire in the wrong location could get you a DQ.

I've read comments from Shuman and others saying "rich teams figured out how to get more droop and an advantage." That leads to the following questions: Are only rich teams intelligent? Are we actually vilifying intelligence, but calling it affluence? If the added droop is an advantage, what specifically generates that advantage? Why do we even care if more droop is beneficial? Could it maybe be more effective to change the paradigm and make more droop less beneficial? What is the intended outcome of this droop rule? How is success of the droop rule measured?