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[Barbecueboy]

Transponders

If they score the qualifying and lap scoring by the flag wave and crossing under it then I would be a little more sympathetic to the argument that it looks like Hudson finished first…but they don’t, they do every other situational timing and scoring with the transponders……if we are going to dismiss them at the finish then let’s dismiss them with everything and go back to manual scoring and qualifying through the whole event.
Can’t have it both ways imo…..tough break for Hudson, but he lost.

[MasterSbilt_Racer]

To avoid the ridiculous accusations of favoritism, there has to be an impartial judge for the winner. Transponders are used so these idiot conspiracy theorists don't have a leg to stand on, yet it doesn't stop them anyway. It looked to me like Hud was the first to the line, but the computers, which are impartial said no.

I feel awful for Hud. He's a good kid. But Bobby won. End of story.

Computer is impartial, but used a different criteria. You could change the outcome of a horse race if you placed a transponder on the left rear leg.

[MasterSbilt_Racer]

Barbeque,

I can't agree. They are good timers. They can't determine which car breaks an imaginary plane. The transponder has made some bad optics several times over the years.

You are talking about retraining people on what it means to finish a race first. We learn that in grade school and humans have been using the concept from the dawn of man.

[kidrock]

Coulda, woulda, shoulda, if the drivers are told or already know how the finish will be determined at the end of a race. Nothing else matters. I guess that's why we didn't hear Hudson complain to much in his post race interview. I'm sure he didn't like and thought he won at the finish line. In order to see how close it really was at the flag stand or finish line we need to see a photo that is in direct line of the finish line. It would also be nice to see a photo in direct line of the timing and scoring for the transponders.

[Highside Hustler25]

If everyone has the transponder mounted on the vertical tube nearest the engine mount, they should all be the same. Any time a track official changes out a transponder, they are working under the front wheel well. I've never known one to be mounted on the rear axle tube.

[MasterSbilt_Racer]

If everyone has the transponder mounted on the vertical tube nearest the engine mount, they should all be the same. Any time a track official changes out a transponder, they are working under the front wheel well. I've never known one to be mounted on the rear axle tube.

Some tracks/series use rear axle tube. For your example to be as good as it could be, it would need to be on the lower control arm. But, it isn't.they are easily placed inches off, car to car, compared to front bumper point.

[Andrews42FAN]

They simply need to place a definitive marker at the "line" with a camera straight down that line. That in combination with transponder would go a long ways to removing confusion or questionable outcomes. But just like the droop rule they will avoid making what should be an easy decision.

[MasterSbilt_Racer]

They simply need to place a definitive marker at the "line" with a camera straight down that line. That in combination with transponder would go a long ways to removing confusion or questionable outcomes. But just like the droop rule they will avoid making what should be an easy decision.

They like it to be cloudy. There's no camera at the droop check. The rule is also very fallible as an equalizer of competition.

[Pennsboro32]

Loops not matching flag stands is just plain dumb. It’s 2023, what are we doing?

[SLlDlNG SIDEWAYS]

They simply need to place a definitive marker at the "line" with a camera straight down that line. That in combination with transponder would go a long ways to removing confusion or questionable outcomes. But just like the droop rule they will avoid making what should be an easy decision.

that would make it to hard to sway towards their in particular fav at the time.

[HikerDan]

What is this? Some kind of weird Le Mans Ford vs. Ferrari scoring thing? The car that takes the checkered first ain't always the winner. lol. Good lordy imagine if the roles were reversed here (the 32 inside and the 1 outside) and Lucas gifted the win to Team 1. A much uglier scene, and conversations, and future considering the enormity of conspiracy theorists out there running around.

This is a great opportunity for the Lucas Series officials to step up and address how they exactly determined the winner and explain how they set up for the scoring and timing. Why did the race finish before the checker and why was the device placed at that spot? Team Rocket seems to be ok with the finish but it is a bit of a head scratcher.

Imagine if Bubba Wallace lost by a nose in Atlanta tonight to Chase Elliott and NASCAR claimed Bubba beat him to the scoring loop before the start/finish line and awarded Bubba the win. LOL
Total chaos for certain. That might actually be fun to see the meltdown from the fans but I wouldn't want anyone attacked or threatened with bodily harm.

[EvelB7]

We run two series, one of them has the transponder on the front horn while the other uses the axle tube. I don't think we need to add another person/item to the series, the electronic scoring seems to be just fine. Can't please everyone, but when you start to talk about favoritism it appears the transponders take that out of the equation; just make sure in tech the transponder is in the correct location....Great race with these two either way, very cool that it comes down to this discussion!

[ride height]

There needs to be a marker somewhere (like directly across from the flagman) …a fluorescent colored fiberglass rod (so it doesn’t hurt anybody if it’s hit) with a camera etc.directly across from it. You simply review the film. Just like a horse race . This isn’t 500.00 they are racing for. At this level it’s a pretty good sack full of money. Fix the issue. The transponders definately have their place, but in this case a level headed person needs to review the photo finish and do the right thing. Either way. I don’t care who won this race….I truly don’t…I just hate to see things decided like it was. Dumb. In this day and age, and Lucas isn’t exactly a Fum buck outfit. They have resources.

[SLIDING SIDEWAYS]

My question is what did Mark Richard's have to say on this incident?

[Highside Hustler25]

It's pretty obvious that the camera crew were set up a bit to the left of the flagman. That view is angular to the flagstand giving a false perception of where that start finish line actually is. For the streaming viewers, they need to start setting these cameras perpendicular to the flagstand or finish line instead of giving folks a false view of things.