Lucas Oil

[foxfire2dirtracing]

Jim11h

^^^^
Couldn’t agree with you more-spot on.
7 pages and the only team effected was Rocket1- have they complained?

[MasterSbilt_Racer]

This is why we'll eventually see camera's calling balls and strikes. Things pretty dead when got 7 pages for this nonsense. Most tracks start finish line is one side or other of flag stand and been this way for decades. Scoring tower needs direct sight of line to score close races back before we allowed technology to over take. I will say the most ironic thing of all this is almost every one was swinging from lucas short hairs and now they're doing an about-face. If the rocket would of won all the longhorn chassis hoes would be squealing foul, but then again it was pierce so we see their own division and attack of transponder that they'll download app and watch for results as gospel on other days ending in Y

You certainly aren't speaking about my perspective. But, anytime we paint with a wide brush, we are bound to get outside the lines. The issue is they do it differently than races you bet on and differently than NASCAR does it, and differently than anyone of ordinary knowledge would perceive it should be done.

They assume everything that has to be setup perfectly for their method to work, is setup perfectly. We know that is far from the case, and why their method is not commonly used outside of our often-misguided sport.

[Pennsboro32]

It's a good thing you can't legally bet on DLM racing.

[Jim11h]

Let's be realistic, yes it's the 2000s and everyone thinks everything should be perfect, but it clearly isn't. It was a great race and for that everyone should be thankful but they can't be. Hundreds of millions in other sports are decided by humans which we know make errors and in some cases can be bought. Our podunk system works pretty good for amt invested. Boxing judged by 3 people for 10s of millions if not a two or ko. Football by referee's determining rule of a catch, etc........gotta look at broad spectrum

[Buford.Justice]

What's to stop an illegal transponder from being activated before the finish line at the front of the car if it's hidden well and then changed back to the legal trans after the race with a hidden switch.

Or even a remote not even on the car?

What do you think Masters?

Take note innovators!

[cjsracing]

What's to stop an illegal transponder from being activated before the finish line at the front of the car if it's hidden well and then changed back to the legal trans after the race with a hidden switch.

Or even a remote not even on the car?

What do you think Masters?

Take note innovators!

Each transponder has a unique identifying number, that number is logged with the sanctioning body.

[billetbirdcage]

What's to stop an illegal transponder from being activated before the finish line at the front of the car if it's hidden well and then changed back to the legal trans after the race with a hidden switch.

Or even a remote not even on the car?

What do you think Masters?

Take note innovators!

Cheating a transponder is completely possible as I know it has been tried at the highest level of asphalt racing but while semi easy to do, there is one catch or problem. While I won't say how it is done, lets just say it's easy to mess up and have your car 3 seconds faster then anyone (yes it was done on a very large track like Daytona where lap times are more like a minute).

Using it for finish would be crazy and easily caught by the eye, however using it for qualifying could be gotten away with, if you don't overly reduce your lap time.

[Barbecueboy]

What's to stop an illegal transponder from being activated before the finish line at the front of the car if it's hidden well and then changed back to the legal trans after the race with a hidden switch.

Or even a remote not even on the car?

What do you think Masters?

Take note innovators!

People that dedicated to cheating normally aren’t at the front enough for a transponder to be necessary to record any wins……

[Buford.Justice]

Well, hopefully not,for sure.

As far as the ID number mentioned above. The one issued to the car would have the corret ID, But I'm talking about a hidden one they would not find.

[Buford.Justice]

If caught doing this it sure would be a black eye for driver and team that might be hard to get rid of and they would not be popular with fans and drivers. A price to pay that hopefully keeps many from even trying to cheat.

[jog49]

"What's to stop an illegal transponder from being activated before the finish line at the front of the car if it's hidden well and then changed back to the legal trans after the race with a hidden switch."

Are you suggesting Smokey Yunick has risen from the dead and is now working in dirt SLM racing?

[james777777]

What's to stop an illegal transponder from being activated before the finish line at the front of the car if it's hidden well and then changed back to the legal trans after the race with a hidden switch.Or even a remote not even on the car?What do you think Masters?Take note innovators!

This may have more merit qualifying. Good idea.

[BloomerHarvickFan]

Barbeque,

Location of the two points is unimportant during qualifying. We are just seeing who did a lap the fastest. It electronically starts and stops the stopwatch, if you will. It might be starting and stopping at a point that's maybe a foot off the line, but it's not likely to really impact the result. If it does, that fact is imperceptible to us.

A race is ended when a nose breaks a plane. Or at least that's what I have been conditioned to understand.

It's like how NASCAR and Indycar use "Alternate" start/finish lines in qualifying, that ends the lap early so they can go down pit road immediately. In qualifying it's about how long it takes you to make a full lap of the track. You can score that anywhere.

[BloomerHarvickFan]

The biggest problem here is that this is dirt. All forms of asphalt racing can have a line across the track. It's pretty simple. Breaking that plane first is a win. For a dirt track photo finish to be accurate, you have to have 2 points. (It takes 2 to make a line). These have to be identified if you hope to have any visual way to determine a winner. You can't use the flagman or flagstand. For 1, is it the actual guy waving the flag, is it a certain point of the flagstand, front edge, a post under it, etc. The simplest solution would be one that has been mentioned. You have a wire/cable running across the track at top of the catch fence or so. You have a stationary camera directed right along that line. If you don't have a physical wire, you have a camera mounted at point A, and line drawn on the wall, pole in the ground, etc to mark point B. The first car to break that plane wins. Anything else, like transponders is open to slight difference. I think someone mentioned one car being more sideways than another, etc. The outrageous example would be a car spinning across the start finish line. He'd have to be nearly a car length ahead of second to be declared the winner based solely on transponders (and I realize this is outlandish).

[jog49]

Sort of like someone introduced transponders to dirt track racing, without the instruction book, and the management did not know how to use them!