The definition of champion has been cheapened

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  • MIdlmfan
    Senior Member
    • Jun 2020
    • 174

    #31
    Originally posted by 84wedge View Post
    The fact there's almost no Rockets left on the two major tours tells a lot too. A few years ago there wasn't a single Longhorn on WoO, now it's just Dennis Erb in a Rocket and look at the year he had.
    Herd mentality as long as the chassis is sufficiently stiff it’s the shocks and springs you hang off it I seen a Kryptonite go from 17th to 1st last night like they were standing still

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    • zyoung25
      Senior Member
      • Sep 2007
      • 8945

      #32
      ^^^^ anyone with half of a brain knew that wasn't going to last. That car wasn't lasting another 60-70 taking that much abuse. I think he was going hard while everyone else was trying to conserve. It was fun to watch though.

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      • stock car driver
        Senior Member
        • Jul 2007
        • 3233

        #33
        Originally posted by MasterSbilt_Racer View Post
        I'm entertained by a good race. The champion is just recognized at season end for consistently getting the job done. I've never counted points while watching a race.
        Bet you were paying attention during this race who was going to be the Champion....

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        • Barbecueboy
          Senior Member
          • Mar 2013
          • 18116

          #34
          Originally posted by zyoung25 View Post
          ^^^^ anyone with half of a brain knew that wasn't going to last. That car wasn't lasting another 60-70 taking that much abuse. I think he was going hard while everyone else was trying to conserve. It was fun to watch though.
          It sure was.
          Where is the move over flag when you need it?????

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          • kidrock
            Senior Member
            • May 2007
            • 16409

            #35
            Originally posted by Raceready View Post
            I take it that you also enjoy motocross and enduro races because we seen both at Eldora during that debacle last night ? ?
            I don't know but, some of the best races I've seen has been in the rough.

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            • lurker
              Senior Member
              • Dec 2017
              • 3190

              #36
              Originally posted by MasterSbilt_Racer View Post
              I've been in it for almost 40 years and it's in trouble.
              A solid 42 years for me. And I’d agree, trouble is coming.

              Originally posted by MasterSbilt_Racer View Post
              There is no way to equate a 1 race accomplishment with a 40 race one.
              This years Lucas Champion will always have an asterisk beside it. The one race playoff cheapened the Championship in my opinion, no matter who was leading the points going in.

              In my opinion, I’d guess it more has to do with the world we live in today more than anything.

              Kind’a like a Participation trophy by definition - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Participation_trophy

              Lucky for me I can speak with my wallet and TV remote.

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              • kidrock
                Senior Member
                • May 2007
                • 16409

                #37
                For the record there will be no asterisk behind the Championship. Hudson won it fair and square under the 2023 format. You may not like the format and I don't but, they raced under the same rules and or format for the year. It's not like they changed things midway through the 2023 season. Do I think RTJ deserved the Championship Yes but, that's not reality.

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                • jog49
                  Senior Member
                  • May 2007
                  • 2551

                  #38
                  The Lucas Oil late model series has always been touted as the better series when compared to the WoO late model series. The 2023 LOLMS season will be the one that goes down in history where all the luster was taken off that polished comparison.

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                  • backspace
                    Senior Member
                    • May 2007
                    • 984

                    #39
                    I seen on another thread where the guy posted that O'Neal only ran 99 laps because of the lucky dog?? I have no idea about this but may make some sense
                    We build fast race cars,,not race cars fast!

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                    • lurker
                      Senior Member
                      • Dec 2017
                      • 3190

                      #40
                      Originally posted by kidrock View Post
                      For the record there will be no asterisk behind the Championship.
                      In Context, in my book, it will always have a asterisk. Kind’a like others books.

                      Five sports records that came with asterisks - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wRidopZprHU

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                      • lurker
                        Senior Member
                        • Dec 2017
                        • 3190

                        #41
                        Originally posted by jog49 View Post
                        The 2023 LOLMS season will be the one that goes down in history where all the luster was taken off that polished comparison.
                        Well stated!

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                        • lurker
                          Senior Member
                          • Dec 2017
                          • 3190

                          #42
                          kidrock, its just my opinion, nothing more.

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                          • lurker
                            Senior Member
                            • Dec 2017
                            • 3190

                            #43
                            Originally posted by backspace View Post
                            I seen on another thread where the guy posted that O'Neal only ran 99 laps because of the lucky dog?? I have no idea about this but may make some sense
                            Correct. So if we want to talk “Reality” as kidrock stated --- in “Reality”, the 2023 Lucas Champion only ran 99 laps of 100. Again, if we are talking “Reality”, and not some gimmicky lucky dog BS.

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                            • Fast Wheels
                              Senior Member
                              • May 2007
                              • 133

                              #44
                              Well, it was the most exciting championship finish ever for Lucazzz. Decided on the last lap of the race.



                              The word champion has long been cheapened. How many championships are won by guys just showing up at all races tracks or regional series? It’s not the case for this series, but it’s the truth for a lot of them.

                              With a kind of money, Lucas pays they can have any format they want. This one was definitely more entertaining. Now if they were just make their actual race formats entertaining.
                              Last edited by Fast Wheels; 10-24-2023, 03:52 PM.

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                              • TBSprintFan
                                Senior Member
                                • Jan 2016
                                • 614

                                #45
                                Originally posted by MasterSbilt_Racer View Post
                                Major rules changes were there for plenty of the positive change. Right now, we still have historic prosperity. Blood in the streets is coming. I'm assuming you actually follow sprints more. They aren't as screwed up because the cars are mostly unchanged.
                                From the late 60's when my parents brought me to the races we mostly followed late models and I followed them mostly to early 2000, then went on a sprint car kick from there to just before Covid but still watched and followed late models and since Covid to now mainly late models. Picked the username when I was in the sprint car kick. And I agree totally with your above comment, especially the part "Blood in the streets is coming"

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