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Pretty light suspension. Other drivers got 1,000 point loss and 90 days. From previous years.
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With all the wins from Bobby, Devin, Kyle...Why didn't one of those tires fail if they were altering them to win? something doesn't add up.Comment
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My guess is that don't test tires at every race and obviously it was random as the finishing positions the drivers finished. Maybe they need to test the winner or top 3 every race if they don't which I assume they don't. Some of the best has got caught so nothing new. Life goes on pierce your 2024 summer nationals championComment
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Two labs and two samples divided from the one collected should be a standard operating procedure.
I'm a CDL driver. If I get pulled for a random my collected sample gets divided and sent to two labs. The first one tests and the second keeps the reserve sample. If I come back "hot" on sample one and want to challenge it, then sample two is tested by a second unrelated lab. Then the results from the two independent labs can be compared and validated. I've been told in this example the first and second tests have always matched when challenged, at least in my part of the world.
In my area a small community is complaining about water quality. Our county had to spend money putting in test wells to assuage them. Water samples get pulled from those test wells and guess what? Each water sample gets divided into two and the sample is then tested by two independent and unrelated labs so the results can be compared. In this example, because it is a water sample, there might be a very slight difference in PPM counts but not statistically significant.
I'm not taking a side in this matter. I'm only saying that if a sanctioning body wants to do this the right way they would employ a secondary back up lab. That when samples are taken they are photo'ed, video'ed, witnessed and something similar to a chain of evidence procedure is undertaken. Any individual sample needs to be a large enough sample (which shouldn't need to be all that big) in order to be divided in two to be sent to two labs.
If two independent labs are getting results which return a favorable comparison, you should be good. If things come back with something beyond an expected standard deviation, you have an issue. Maybe an issue with a lab, maybe an issue with something else. But, if a primary lab is getting smack talked and blamed for not being legit, they would and should welcome a secondary lab backing up their results.Political correctness,...is the inability to speak the truth about the obvious.Comment
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Nathan Stephens
Next Race - 7/20 TBA
2024 Season: 14 - Brownstown (IN) 2, Fairbury (IL) 2, Farmer City (IL) 1, Grundy Co (IL) 1, Kankakee (IL) 2, & Shadyhill (IN) 6Comment
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I will be ending my subscription to Dirt Vision for this year!!! What I don't get... Is their Out Laws. Let them all juice. The racing sanctions would save MONEY!!! Correct me if I am wrong, but I never seen where a Sprint car gets this same treatment on tires? In general it ( WOO ) is not really Out Laws!!!!! False advertising??Comment
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I could be wrong but I don't see Pierce bailing for the Summer Nationals. As competitive as he is, why race for 5gs a night with big money out there with the 3 touring series. Pick and choose outlaw type schedule makes more sense. He can have a very lucrative year without their points fund. I don't remember him needing too many provisionals last year.8/13/16Comment
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Maybe they did maybe they didnt, it certainly goes on at that level. I dont trust hoosier to provide a consistent benchmark ever, since they sold and ESPECIALLY post covid, their production quality has been horrendousComment
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Ask Scott Autry about benchmarks…….Tire rule, lol.Where is the move over flag when you need it?????Comment
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I have no dog in this fight, but in the history of Dirt Late Model racing, I have never heard one driver admit to doing something wrong when caught for tires. " We did nothing wrong" "It was the lab's fault" "There must have been something on the racing surface" etc. Although a very unpopular decision, it had to be a very tough decision for the WRG and Brian Carter to suspend his 2023 champion. How many times have I read on this message board that both the WOOLMS and LOLMS looks the other way when it comes to their own. Pierce, Bronson and Moran will live to fight another day. Maybe as Herm stated in his video, this Sh*t has to stop and maybe this is the message to clean up the mess in DLM racing?.......Comment
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Some of the chemicals teams have been using are very bad for your health when breathing it in. It's a much as the series trying to protect crew members' health as much as it is cheating up tires.Originally posted by plunks7 View PostComment
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OK,,,,Ole backspace is messed up....with all these posts being made about the 3 who got caught,,,when can the race again? Can they race in Lucas oil?We build fast race cars,,not race cars fast!Comment
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Bending the rules, working in the gray area or cheating has been part of the game for a long long time and I don't see that changing anytime soon. Just a fact.Comment
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Race track drama is as old as I am.
No body ever admits they cheat. They can't politically or professionally or competitively regardless of the sport. There is too many people and too much money involved. If they were to admit it, they would be politically and professionally and competitively slandered and in all likely hood lose ANY chance of a come back for a VERY VERY LONG time, if ever.
According to Brain Carter, 67 tires checked, 5 divisions, 3 failed, those 3 failed 3 times. He also hints the tires were chemically altered, meaning something IN them, not just ON them. He also hints at the labs know what it is.
They can't release anymore than that because it would fuel the fire even more.
Yall really really think things are looked at and looked over, debated about and discussed and fret upon several times before a plan is made?
I don't know what happened. I'll just say it seems cut and dry.Comment
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