Anyone out there (successfully) running older (pre 2017) chassis?

[blncfn57]

The group of guys who can afford to do this and the group that capable of building and maintaining the equipment are completely different, with a couple of exceptions. The first group hires 1 guy from the second group. These cars are way more complicated than most people can come close to maximizing and not inadvertently screwing up.

You are correct, I was replying to his reply to this comment from HH "I think it says something when a touring guy isn't competitive, gets a new chassis and suddenly is fast again".

The top touring guys aren't saying cars are bad just to buy another one, they don't need an excuse to buy a new one. lol

[Tyy7777]

I will agree that a portion of the top drivers are not into the setup, maintenance, or building of the cars, but they employ people that know what they're doing. There's something to be said for being around it everyday and the experience that comes along with that.

To go one step further...if they aren't into setup etc. how do they know what to look for in an employee?

[blncfn57]

To go one step further...if they aren't into setup etc. how do they know what to look for in an employee?

Are you kidding me? Clearly they do not hire people without a background with results if they need someone with experience.

[Tyy7777]

Are you kidding me? Clearly they do not hire people without a background with results if they need someone with experience.

As far as I can see there's a bit more to it then that.

[MasterSbilt_Racer]

Are you kidding me? Clearly they do not hire people without a background with results if they need someone with experience.

I've seen a lot of guys hired for doing manual work on a successful team and people think they learned something about setups. They didn't.

[blncfn57]

I've seen a lot of guys hired for doing manual work on a successful team and people think they learned something about setups. They didn't.

and they didn't last long in a setup role did they?

[blncfn57]

As far as I can see there's a bit more to it then that.

Well then why do you keep asking dumb questions when you CLEARLY feel you have all the fkn answers already??? Have you ever built a car? Worked on one? Raced?

[Highside Hustler25]

As others have said that sounds more like a maintenance issue as opposed to any new advancements.

I don't think maintenance has anything to do with the issue. I think today's chassis is so lightweight and delicate that the least bit of contact gets them out of sync.

[Tyy7777]

Well then why do you keep asking dumb questions when you CLEARLY feel you have all the fkn answers already??? Have you ever built a car? Worked on one? Raced?

Trying to get you to stop being so naive and think a little

[Tyy7777]

I don't think maintenance has anything to do with the issue. I think today's chassis is so lightweight and delicate that the least bit of contact gets them out of sync.

Well if you look back to earlier in the thread where it was mentioned about RTJ running an older (2019 was it?) car and I even think back to JD running an older Horn for the Eldora races...if what your saying is true then it would mean those cars never took any contact.

[Tyy7777]

I could build you a competitive 03 Mastersbilt.

Just for curiosity's sake...what would be required to get it to be competitive?

[blncfn57]

Trying to get you to stop being so naive and think a little

I ain't naive about anything. I've been around this stuff for the better part of 35 years. If you think these drivers are hiring crew members off of zip recruiter, or based off their LinkedIn profile, you may be the naive one. The guys who are hired to make the car fast are mainly hired based off their results with other teams. These guys don't generally come into the sport on top of their game, they usually come in as a lower level crew guy and work their way up, once they are established winners their market value increases and other teams will start trying to hire them away from their team. The faster they can make the car the more sought after they are.... hence why Cody Mallory never lacks for work long, even being less than a stellar human being.

[Highside Hustler25]

Well if you look back to earlier in the thread where it was mentioned about RTJ running an older (2019 was it?) car and I even think back to JD running an older Horn for the Eldora races...if what your saying is true then it would mean those cars never took any contact.

And why do you think JD keeps that older Longhorn parked in his living room 360 days out of the year?

[MasterSbilt_Racer]

Just for curiosity's sake...what would be required to get it to be competitive?

Front cross members, front geometry changes, rear geometry changes, a lot of stiffening of the chassis

[MasterSbilt_Racer]

and they didn't last long in a setup role did they?

Some of them did. One guy single handedly killed a team that had a couple of great drivers.