Lucas oil series has better cars.

[jog49]

Seems to me Rocket has done pretty well considering the number of Rockets to Longhorns on the Lucas Tour...

2009 Scott Bloomquist - Sweet/Bloomquit Zero Chassis
2010 Scott Bloomquist - Sweet/Bloomquit Zero Chassis
2011 Jimmy Owens- Sweet/Bloomquit Zero Chassis
2012 Jimmy Owens- Sweet/Bloomquit Zero Chassis
2013 Jimmy Owens- Sweet/Bloomquit Zero Chassis
2014 Don Oneal - Barry Wright Race Car for CBR.
2015 JD/Rumley - Longhorn Chassis. Sheppard wins 2015 Lucas Oil ROY(Rocket Chassis) https://www.lucasdirt.com/press/2015/article/99680
2016 Scott Bloomquist - Sweet/Bloomquit Zero Chassis
2017 was Josh Richards - Rocket Chassis https://www.lucasdirt.com/press/2017/article/98599
2018 Jonathan Daveport - Longhorn Chassis
2019 Jonathan Daveport - Longhorn Chassis
2020 Was Jimmy Owens Rocket Chassis https://www.lucasdirt.com/press/2020/article/98249
2021 Tim McCreadie - Longhorn Chassis
2022 Tim McCreadie - Longhorn Chassis
2023 Hudson Oneal - Rocket Chassis https://www.lucasdirt.com/press/2023/article/142820
2024 Ricky Thornton Jr - Longhorn Chassis

DOD History of Lucas Oil Tour https://www.dirtondirt.com/history-series.php?id=1

I'm not seeing what you're seeing. ROY in 2015 . . . who cares what the ROY is driving? 2023 . . . put an asterisk beside that one because it was then and always will be, a fluky, NASCAR style load of BS. That leaves you with 2 out of that long list. I would say Longhorn and Bloomquist have ruled the roost..

[84wedge]

The WoO list would be almost exclusivley Rockets pre 2021, and in 2020 there wasn't a single LH on tour. Isn't that odd? A pit FULL of the chassis that the Rocket house car sold and serviced, then they left and now there's nary a Rocket to be seen on WoO.

[chathamracefan]

This eldora official you talk too needs to stop with what they are hearing.

The WRG isn't going anywhere

Lucas had a better field this year on paper, but the competition and racing was better on the outlaw side IMO

Outlaws seem to have more bullring type venues. Lucas is more big track centric. The Lucas format of quick time on pole of heat & then pole of feature if they win heat on a 1/2 mile = nap time. Outlaws have a redraw so it can at least mix it up a bit.

[Henry Every]

I'm not seeing what you're seeing. ROY in 2015 . . . who cares what the ROY is driving? 2023 . . . put an asterisk beside that one because it was then and always will be, a fluky, NASCAR style load of BS. That leaves you with 2 out of that long list. I would say Longhorn and Bloomquist have ruled the roost..

I included 2015 because it was an unusual season, "the year of the device" as a point of reference, ROY was just a tidbit. From 2015 on, the number of Rockets on the Lucas tour declined from its heights. Prior to 2015 you couldn't throw a rock in the pits and not hit a Rocket. I agree 2023 was(to be kind) "Fluky" as you say, it should have been RTJ hands down and another championship for LH as well. All I was attempting to show was that Rockets, even though declining in number have remained competitive up until the last 2 seasons, imho. The LH is obviously dominant and now has the numbers as well. What I think happens is when any "chassis" becomes too much of the market their continued success blinds them to actual lagging performance, they simply continue to win because the odds are in their favor that someone of that brand will hit the setup perfect. I use to point this out when Rocket was the dominant car, both in terms of wins and number of competitors in that brand, that when they lost to a less popular chassis it said more to me as to who was actually better. If 99 out of 100 are brand X, but brand Y starts winning regularly its wise to pay attention. Personally I think the Scott Bloomquist Zero was the better car, but with his diminish physical health the last several years and fewer top line drivers running his cars it just didn't show. My preference of cars I would buy today if I were inclined is a "Domination Chassis" by Rusty Schlenk, but I enjoy being out of step with whats popular. When I was putting that list together I had forgotten about JO winning the title back in 2020. Later.

[jog49]

The overriding consideration, IMO, has always been pricing. Hundreds if not thousands of racers have bought what they could afford, not what seemed to be in vogue. Ford has always bragged about selling more pickups than any other manufacturer. Do you suppose that happened because a comparably equipped F-150 is a little cheaper than the competition? Of course it is. Same thing with race chassis.

[james777777]

The overriding consideration, IMO, has always been pricing. Hundreds if not thousands of racers have bought what they could afford, not what seemed to be in vogue. Ford has always bragged about selling more pickups than any other manufacturer. Do you suppose that happened because a comparably equipped F-150 is a little cheaper than the competition? Of course it is. Same thing with race chassis.

NO ONE is buying a new Longhorn or Rocket because one is cheaper that the other.

[Henry Every]

NO ONE is buying a new Longhorn or Rocket because one is cheaper that the other.

I agree, racers choose their weapons by what they "Believe" will be the most likely to bring them victory, not which gets better MPG or has better seats... Race cars and F150' are like comparing apples and Nike shoes.

[riddle28]

The overriding consideration, IMO, has always been pricing. Hundreds if not thousands of racers have bought what they could afford, not what seemed to be in vogue. Ford has always bragged about selling more pickups than any other manufacturer. Do you suppose that happened because a comparably equipped F-150 is a little cheaper than the competition? Of course it is. Same thing with race chassis.

this isnt true at local, regional or national level. Racers will always buy what they perceive as the best

[jog49]

Sort of like you want speed. You have your eye on a Bugoti Veyron but can only afford a Yugo? They have always bought the best they could afford and when LH was introduced, it was cheaper than a Rocket, and stayed that way for a good while.

[zyoung25]

The last I knew, a new roller from longhorn was 57k and a new roller rocket was 53k both with bodies. This was the prices 2-3yrs ago before longhorn had cars out there like they do.

I have a mastersbilt brochure from 99 where a roller was 15,500 with body.

[billetbirdcage]

The last I knew, a new roller from longhorn was 57k and a new roller rocket was 53k both with bodies. This was the prices 2-3yrs ago before longhorn had cars out there like they do.

I have a mastersbilt brochure from 99 where a roller was 15,500 with body.

A 2024/25 XR1.2 for just a frame and complete body is 20K with no bolt on parts

[jog49]

I have a mastersbilt brochure from 99 where a roller was 15,500 with body. [/QUOTE]

LOL! But how much was a loaf of bread in 1999 and how much is it today? Longhorn is in high demand so its price has zoomed; possibly surpassing that of Rocket. Why? Because it is eating Rocket's lunch right now.

[weatherman85]

$15,500 in 1999 adjusted to inflation would be $29,009 today.

[EvelB7]

Had a new Warrior delivered (Charlotte) for less than $10,000 in 2001, best deal I ever got-just needed engine, bellhousing, transmission, dry sump, and wheels/tires. Great car, and should mention Mike Nuchols has done a great job of keeping the brand alive- awesome people!

[84wedge]

I guess that new Kryptonite didn't take off.