Saturday East Bay Broadcast Discrepancy

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  • xcelerated1
    Senior Member
    • Jan 2009
    • 148

    #76
    KAOS,

    Without getting into the details, this all comes down to the concept of "tortious interference."

    Imagine that you were a little ice cream vendor at the state fair with a 10 year contract to be the exclusive ice cream seller.

    Then one year the Turkey Leg vendor (which brings in a ton of cash for the fair), decides to start an ice cream business. If the Turkey Leg vendor "muscles" the state fair to sign their contract, which included selling ice cream, all while having full knowledge of the fair's exclusive contract with the "little ice cream vendor," that is "tortious interference."

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    • TDRacin®
      Senior Member
      • May 2007
      • 1596

      #77
      The part that is wrong is DN stating and advertising themselves as the "Exclusive provider of live coverage at East Bay". This is false and utter BS like I stated earlier this week. The fact that those statements remain on your Facebook page means you don't care. I also told you guys then that Lucas Oil would be providing coverage and now here it is at 7pm Saturday and guess what? Yeah...

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      • JCSullivan00
        Senior Member
        • May 2007
        • 1418

        #78
        I'm watching on Lucas Oil TV. Very impressed.
        Dirt Nation is clueless. They've been posting pictures of cars with the wrong drivers captioned all week, the announcing is TERRIBLE, and then I've never heard anyone say a SINGLE good word about Barry Braun.

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        • Spanky44
          Senior Member
          • Nov 2007
          • 604

          #79
          If you guys down load the periscope app on your phones, fans, teams,ect have been shooting the race live for free. Jimmy ownes crew guy was filming it live when he was on the track along with overtons and many others...It's no broadcast quality but at least you can watch the races for free from a fans point of view in the stands. I will never deal with dirt nation after last years est bay speedweeks price of $130 or what ever it was I paid. Dirt on dirt is the way to go for $85.00 I get 6 nights of race coverage from every lap at the track.!

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          • Links
            Senior Member
            • May 2007
            • 1358

            #80
            Whine...bitch...cry. Is this what the "real race fan" looks like in 2016?
            T3G - Never Forget, Hardly Remember

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            • BigNilla
              Senior Member
              • Aug 2014
              • 180

              #81
              If it wasn't for Dave Seay I wouldn't even pay DirtNation any mind. I really do like his interviews. They charge ABOVE AND BEYOND TOO MUCH. Priced themselves out of the market for me and I would say quite a few others.

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              • W2Racing09
                Senior Member
                • Apr 2014
                • 1691

                #82
                Originally posted by xcelerated1 View Post
                KAOS,

                Without getting into the details, this all comes down to the concept of "tortious interference."

                Imagine that you were a little ice cream vendor at the state fair with a 10 year contract to be the exclusive ice cream seller.

                Then one year the Turkey Leg vendor (which brings in a ton of cash for the fair), decides to start an ice cream business. If the Turkey Leg vendor "muscles" the state fair to sign their contract, which included selling ice cream, all while having full knowledge of the fair's exclusive contract with the "little ice cream vendor," that is "tortious interference."

                Chris Graner
                RACEFEEDX.com
                riivet.com
                I just want to add some constructive criticism here -- as I sit and watch the DoD PPV from Volusia. Six nights, $84.

                The biggest thing PPV providers need to understand is as follows.

                Watching on TV =/= Being there live.

                When I watch a NASCAR race, I don't have to pay the ticket price to watch on TV. When I watch the Bruins and Rangers on TV I don't have to pay the ticket price. Any other sport understands that it benefits the sport in general to make the races more accessible to more people. Most of us trying to watch the PPV were not sitting up the street from the track at Panera deciding to watch your PPV over buying a ticket at the track. We are die hard fans sitting at home in the cold wanting to see some racing. We don't get to experience the atmosphere, we can't watch the driver we want all the time, we can't walk through the pit area, etc. We do not get the benefits that being there live provide, so why do we have to pay the same price... especially when that price is inflated artificially in order to not undercut the ticket price. If someone decides to sit home and watch it when they are within a few miles of the track then they probably wouldn't have been there anyway.

                I would be buying these winter PPVs left and right, you definitely would have had my business all week had your price been more like the DoD price, and I'm sure many... MANY more.

                But honestly the biggest issue isn't the fact that I felt the price was too high personally, my issue is that this is a huge opportunity to market the sport to many people. We have live broadcasts of dirt racing, there are fans out there who would buy this casually just for something to watch if it were priced reasonably. This type of stuff could be huge for the sport, but instead you are asking for almost an entire weeks pay for someone who works at minimum wage or close to it. My wife and I make six figures and I couldn't justify the price -- I certainly have the money to buy it, but I just didn't think it was worth it. That is a big problem because I eat, sleep and breathe dirt racing. If I don't think being able to watch it live half way across the country is worth it then your price must be very high. I can't imagine someone making significantly less, when I was in college $200 was my disposable income for an entire month. Think of all of the people alienated because of the price, huge race fans that would love to watch but simply cannot afford it, as in its not a conscious decision not to buy it... but its just not an option. Those are the type of people who could be the backbone for your broadcasts, but instead they sit on 4m and refresh the page to get results, or go to Periscope or wherever else.

                You could make a LOT of money doing this, you have a product I want -- a product many people want. I would like to see you succeed. I listen to Dave Seay all the time, and I've got XSAN, and whatever other name the company has been broadcasts before. Be realistic with the prices, understand that we are at a DISADVANTAGE watching from home, not equal to those there. We want to be there, all of us. Just like the people watching NASCAR, NHL, NFL, etc. Those sports are big, and sell out events when they are in town because people can follow along at home for a reasonable price.

                In closing, I would of paid $99 for the week, maybe even $119 (maybe) and I think many others would have too. I would bet that the total amount of people who got your ppv was a FRACTION of what it would have been at those prices. Not to mention the more viewers you get the more advertising you can get.

                Next I think working with Lucas Oil TV rather than against them would be helpful. Think of all the sponsorship doors they can open for you. They have a bunch of companies advertising with them for their LOLMDS races... Don't make that kind of enemy. They have their hand in a lot of racing in our region and in yours as well with the MLRA, etc.

                Lastly... please just make Dave Seay one of the announcers for the broadcast. That would be EXCELLENT and would add a lot to your broadcast with all of his knowledge of each and every driver out there.

                Thanks,
                Jeff.

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                • TMaCiLLiNi39
                  Banned
                  • May 2007
                  • 1321

                  #83
                  Dirt Nation and DirtNation.tv are not the same...

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                  • TBSprintFan
                    Senior Member
                    • Jan 2016
                    • 614

                    #84
                    I like the fact that if you cannot watch it live and do not know the results you can watch it the next day. It is also nice being able to watch races from other years too, DirtVision is showing a lot of the WoO Sprints from previous years for free also now. Good way to bring in sponsors for the series and teams.

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                    • huskerdirt
                      Senior Member
                      • Mar 2011
                      • 5620

                      #85
                      Originally posted by TMaCiLLiNi39 View Post
                      Dirt Nation and DirtNation.tv are not the same...
                      Dirt Nation Tv does PPVs. And Dirt Nation does podcasts.

                      Other than that it's the same company/brand with the same people behind it as RacefeedX and IMCA.TV
                      Last edited by huskerdirt; 02-16-2016, 04:29 AM.

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