Dqed from dream

[billetbirdcage]

I think most everyone understood what you were saying...........my smoking gun comment was more a generalized ( throw a blanket over it husker style ) statement.

Its time for some team owners to demand a better system.........as it is now , it's based on a trust factor of hopefully they are doing it correctly , unbiased and for the right reasons.

If everyone here is being honest with themselves, do you think that is actually occurring every single time.........talking about the unbiased and right reasons comment.

If I sound like I am untrusting and uncomfortable with the process , I am...........

I hear you, I question both sides of it.

It's not like the lab hasn't failed and came to the wrong test result before. Take the time a lab tested a American racer tire and it failed, don't remember the driver/car now but they appealed the result and come to find out the lab tested the wrong benchmark either by their fault or as I recall AM sent that wrong benchmark to test against the tire. I'm not really sure how many have been reversed, maybe that is the only one but I do question how many times has there been a mistake. I can't answer how reliable the tests are.

It does go both ways, labs can make mistakes just as racers will cheat. I just want to be sure innocent people don't get convicted but I do believe it's rare as most of the results are likely correct and are cheated tires. However I want this $hit out of racing also.

That all being said: I can tell you with 100% certainty that teams are sending samples to the labs themselves so they know what can or can't pass. So I question how many times would you pass a test if you sent the same sample in 10 times? it's been asked why to teams risk it, it's because they have sent samples in to blue ridge labs and they passed so they didn't think they'd get caught, IMO

Everyone should be un-trusting and uncomfortable with the testing

Disclaimer: This is all my Opinion, it's worth the paper it written on and besides it's an internet post so that means it's 99% chance it's false (Grin)

[ClampedUp]

Owens......LIAR........ Satterlee.......LIAR......Sheppard........LIAR.... .....ThOrnton.......LIAR............Bloomer....... .Silent..so far

CONCORD, N.C. – June 21, 2016 – Brandon Sheppard, Greg Satterlee, Scott Bloomquist and Jimmy Owens have appealed their disqualifications and suspensions following a failed post-race inspection at the Dirt Late Model Dream at Eldora Speedway. An appeal is expected from Ricky Thornton Jr. but has not yet been received.

In accordance with rule 12.1-K, competitors who file an appeal will have penalties temporarily deferred. Both will be allowed to compete at DIRTcar sanctioned events until their appeals are heard on Monday, June 27.

Sheppard, Satterlee, Bloomquist, Owens and Thornton were disqualified and suspended after tire samples collected during the Dream and tested by an independent laboratory did not meet established benchmarks in a chemical analysis.

All licensed DIRTcar Members in good standing are able to request an appeal and have a total of seven days from the issuance of a penalty to request the appeal.

For more information on DIRTcar Racing and all DIRTcar UMP-sanctioned divisions, visit DIRTcar.com. For more information on Eldora Speedway, visit EldoraSpeedway.com.

[castone]

Anyone know any teams that has won an appeal? Why can't they just man up fess up and move on!

[Barbecueboy]

I hear you, I question both sides of it.

It's not like the lab hasn't failed and came to the wrong test result before. Take the time a lab tested a American racer tire and it failed, don't remember the driver/car now but they appealed the result and come to find out the lab tested the wrong benchmark either by their fault or as I recall AM sent that wrong benchmark to test against the tire. I'm not really sure how many have been reversed, maybe that is the only one but I do question how many times has there been a mistake. I can't answer how reliable the tests are.

It does go both ways, labs can make mistakes just as racers will cheat. I just want to be sure innocent people don't get convicted but I do believe it's rare as most of the results are likely correct and are cheated tires. However I want this $hit out of racing also.

That all being said: I can tell you with 100% certainty that teams are sending samples to the labs themselves so they know what can or can't pass. So I question how many times would you pass a test if you sent the same sample in 10 times? it's been asked why to teams risk it, it's because they have sent samples in to blue ridge labs and they passed so they didn't think they'd get caught, IMO

Everyone should be un-trusting and uncomfortable with the testing

Disclaimer: This is all my Opinion, it's worth the paper it written on and besides it's an internet post so that means it's 99% chance it's false (Grin)

OH there is no doubt that teams are sending in samples to see what is detectable......to the same labs that are getting paid by the series to test for cheats.

Question is, how can it come back as clean to the teams that are sending them and dirty when they are submitted by the series?

The whole thing is foul.

And the American racer deal was with Scott Autry at the Carolina crown event ........to the tune of 30 grand in winnings I believe.
Glad they were vindicated.

Have zero problem with testing if that's the route the series decide to take ........how it's all handled , enforced ( or not enforced) and overseen is where I have the biggest beef.

Again, somebody going to get their feelings and their wallets hurt by someone who is truly innocent and can prove it..........that's when the process will change.

[Barbecueboy]

Anyone know any teams that has won an appeal? Why can't they just man up fess up and move on!

Yes.........

[Andrews42FAN]

So let me get this straight.........another poster said that an official named Sam was walking around the pits , snipping tires and putting samples into ziplock baggies.

Well that sounds like a very legit way to collect samples......doesn't it?
No possible way any of those samples could be tainted or handled incorrectly........right?

If samples collected and sent off are a must, I for one would like for there to be a little more accountability throughout the chain........not saying there is foul play, but the collection and submission system being used is certainly ripe for it.

We were by Satterlees ride when they took samples. They weren't just throwing chunks of rubber into random bags. The bags had been labeled and another dude was recording everything on a clipboard regarding the driver, tire compound in use, etc. They were doing a very through job of recording and ensuring that everything was correctly labeled and associated to the driver.

When they were testing Satterlees tires he was fairly agitated and short with everyone.

[drano]

Just have them pick the tires up at the track the day of the race it's a simple fix.

[Highside Hustler25]

Could it be a conspiracy?

This is how I break it down.

1. Scott Bloomquist

Lucas boy thru and thru. Left WoO in 2004 and never looked back. Been a Lucas regular since 2009 and has been the Lucas Oil poster child for the last 6 years.


2. Jimmy Owens

The other Lucas poster child. 3 Lucas titles in a row. Only National series he's ever competed in. Bleeds Lucas oil red second only to Scott.

3. Brandon Sheppard

One of the hottest young guns out there. Gained National exposure with WoO when he got the Rocket house car ride for a year. WoO thought they might get a fresh young driver for their series as some of the WoO originals are getting close to the end of their careers on a National level. But wait, B Shep ends up joining the Lucas tour right when they're in dire need of some new good talent after losing T Mac and Lanigan.

4. Greg Satterlee

Ran the WoO tour for quite a few years and has since dropped off to run a more regional schedule.

5. Ricky Thornton

sorryI got nothin here

I do find it strange that I can not remember WoO ever busting one of their regulars. Maybe coincidental who knows but it sure smells fishy. One thing I do know, WoO can't afford to suspend one of their own if they want to maintain a traveling series.

[bb14]

Is anything still mixed withe water when they water the track? Rusted pipes and tanks for storage or water truck? That's a chemical too.

A really good lawyer can find a loop hole sort of like a glove that don't fit. Just sayin that there is no way you can say the tests are 100% accurate. I'm not taking up for drivers but the tests are not 100%. A little bit of doubt is still doubt. 99.9% is still not 100%.

[Highside Hustler25]

Anyone know any teams that has won an appeal? Why can't they just man up fess up and move on!

Very good question. None that I can remember. Anyone know for sure?

[MI Dirt Fan]

Does it seem odd the person who started this topic has yet to post under it again???

[drano]

Just a thought, it says the drivers are suspended not their cars I guess they could get someone else to drive their cars for them.

[SLIDING SIDEWAYS]

Just a thought, it says the drivers are suspended not their cars I guess they could get someone else to drive their cars for them.

Good question drano. Im reading it the same , just the drivers are suspended.

[mud duck]

Could it be a conspiracy?

This is how I break it down.

1. Scott Bloomquist

Lucas boy thru and thru. Left WoO in 2004 and never looked back. Been a Lucas regular since 2009 and has been the Lucas Oil poster child for the last 6 years.


2. Jimmy Owens

The other Lucas poster child. 3 Lucas titles in a row. Only National series he's ever competed in. Bleeds Lucas oil red second only to Scott.

3. Brandon Sheppard

One of the hottest young guns out there. Gained National exposure with WoO when he got the Rocket house car ride for a year. WoO thought they might get a fresh young driver for their series as some of the WoO originals are getting close to the end of their careers on a National level. But wait, B Shep ends up joining the Lucas tour right when they're in dire need of some new good talent after losing T Mac and Lanigan.

4. Greg Satterlee

Ran the WoO tour for quite a few years and has since dropped off to run a more regional schedule.

5. Ricky Thornton

sorryI got nothin here

I do find it strange that I can not remember WoO ever busting one of their regulars. Maybe coincidental who knows but it sure smells fishy. One thing I do know, WoO can't afford to suspend one of their own if they want to maintain a traveling series.

Your right!! They can't and won't suspend one of their own. Especially, the 1 car. Mark owns to much stock in them.

[bullring]

One "Group" has too much control over dirt late model racing.