Hoosier A40S

[modracr41]

I have nothing against that tire, but are you serious? UMP listened to the guys that can't set a car up so that D's would last and basically made that tire not legal anywhere. Then they said, take the spoilers away, that will level the playing field since the guys won't be able to hook up the car without a spoiler. I'm not sure if you paid attention to the florida mod races, but the cars were FASTER this year without the soft tires and without them traction gaining spoilers. If you are worried about the engines, then either petition for some type of engine rule, a track issued restrictor plate, or use the claim rule. This B.S. with changing tires year to year and body dimensions/rules is dumb. The first place to start with saving the class is actually enforcing the rules that are already printed!!

Again, you're correct. HOWEVER, UMP is not going to tech or enforce anything, and promoters won't for fear of running someone off, or offending the front runners. To top that off, UMP is who is changing the rules to this BS. The engines aren't helping anyone either. 800hp former 'cup engines, and the like that cost $20K and up to race for $600 is just plain stupid. Also, the D hoosiers aren't the answer. They are baby butt soft, and allow you to hook up a LOT of engine. They also wear out quicker than a hard tire, like the KK704. I'll look into my crystal ball here, and tell you that in 10 years, UMP modifieds won't be racing weekly at but a few tracks, the limited modifieds will have their rules changed to more of what an A mod was a few years ago, and car counts will be down, tracks will close, and the purses will be what they are currently with the same few cars racing each other for those purses. Now, let's see how it plays out. Good luck all and have a safe weekend.

[CsR41]

When you're shredding the edges on the RR tire in 3 hot laps, there is a problem.

[blncfn57]

Again, you're correct. HOWEVER, UMP is not going to tech or enforce anything, and promoters won't for fear of running someone off, or offending the front runners. To top that off, UMP is who is changing the rules to this BS. The engines aren't helping anyone either. 800hp former 'cup engines, and the like that cost $20K and up to race for $600 is just plain stupid. Also, the D hoosiers aren't the answer. They are baby butt soft, and allow you to hook up a LOT of engine. They also wear out quicker than a hard tire, like the KK704. I'll look into my crystal ball here, and tell you that in 10 years, UMP modifieds won't be racing weekly at but a few tracks, the limited modifieds will have their rules changed to more of what an A mod was a few years ago, and car counts will be down, tracks will close, and the purses will be what they are currently with the same few cars racing each other for those purses. Now, let's see how it plays out. Good luck all and have a safe weekend.

I can't disagree with this post in general, but I will comment on a few points.

The tracks all have the option of allowing however many of the hoosier emod tires that they wish. Most, if not all tracks have not been allowing the D's, but are allowing the A, H, and the new A40S. That is the tracks choice. I never said the D tire was the answer, just that the folks that couldn't make them work lobbied until they are virtually not allowed and now look what we got, a tire that's worse yet! Until this fiasco is straightened out what is a racer supposed to do?? buy H's???
I also do not feel that you are going to discourage the guys that have the big money to spend. If they don't spend it on motors they will find somewhere else to spend it. More than likely it will get spent on technology and engineering help, which puts the little guy at a bigger disadvantage than he was at racing against a big motor. I do not know the answer to fix the class, but I do feel the intimidation of going thru a decent tech inspection every night would help, if nothing else it would make everyone feel better knowing that the cars are tech'd. Heck, I haven't even seen a track check the brakes on all the cars in prolly close to 10 years.... that in itself is scary!!!

[lou9a]

Take away the 4 link rear suspension, allow 3 link rear suspension only with around a 40 inch lift bar, max 5 shocks on the car, 2500 engine claim or exchange rule, American Racer medium compound tires, 2400 minimum weight, enforce the rules and let's go race. Back to basics ....save the class.

[race21j]

Take away the 4 link rear suspension, allow 3 link rear suspension only with around a 40 inch lift bar, max 5 shocks on the car, 2500 engine claim or exchange rule, American Racer medium compound tires, 2400 minimum weight, enforce the rules and let's go race. Back to basics ....save the class.

Most of those rules are already in place. They call them B mods or Sport mods. Not going to happen to the A mods.

[wadegarrett]

Most of those rules are already in place. They call them B mods or Sport mods. Not going to happen to the A mods.

not in UMP, they allow 4 bars for Bmods and are mandating crates.....again not helping things. Now IMCA sport mod rules much like what you describe 3 links etc. UMP bmods still use the same (not a nice word)(not a nice word)(not a nice word)(not a nice word)ty tire we are stuck with too.

[indyboywilliam]

I like 4 bar cars.... a lot of them cars out there to get hands on reasonable.....just restrict the engines is what makes it cost affective and get us a good tire....

[wadegarrett]

I like 4 bar cars.... a lot of them cars out there to get hands on reasonable.....just restrict the engines is what makes it cost affective and get us a good tire....

Indy the 4 bar setup is part of the issue with this class. Keeping 4bar does not help, btw switching a 4 bar to a 3link could not be much easier. # bar and leaf cars only and some actual engine rules and real tire and this class would last a while longer.

[dirtracerl77]

No matter how many rules you put in place, the fast guys will still be fast. The more rules you put in place, the more expensive it gets. Look at nascar. There engine rules are very strict, it is also one of the most expensive engines to build.

[MM90]

"The only engine rule restriction should be a hard tire." I read that in a magazine a month ago.

[blncfn57]

No matter how many rules you put in place, the fast guys will still be fast. The more rules you put in place, the more expensive it gets. Look at nascar. There engine rules are very strict, it is also one of the most expensive engines to build.

BINGO! and what do you think will happen when there is only ONE tire and it is HARD?

[wadegarrett]

BINGO! and what do you think will happen when there is only ONE tire and it is HARD?

harder tire would make at least the tires costs less, less to buy and last longer so this would be an improvement and harder to hook up would help the class. Yes fast dudes will be fast still. The current program is not working so its easy to say that ideas wont work, but we already know whats not working, its called the current UMP and there over priced tire, to continue to go down this path is not the answer

[indyboywilliam]

Well I think we all agree on the Tire Rule..... That's a start... HARD TIRES ..... = GOOD FOR SPORT

[dirtracerl77]

I never had a problem with the old A. Our testing, on the few laps I had on the A S tire, is that it had the same wear characteristic as the D. I see no reason for tires that soft in the modified. Hoosier announced that they are going to make a H in a 26.5 also.

[indyboywilliam]

when are they making H 26.5 ???