Mod - Car Counts - Central Illinois

[kidrock]

all the excuses dont change the fact that ump/hoosier are charging 35 bucks a tire more than any other sanction. This is not helping the class. the a40s mess just shows that Hoosier and UMP did not do enough testing and were hoping the racers would live with it, tried to blame it on siping etc. not to mention this nonsense of only allowing Ds at some tracks. usra and imca have ONE tire.

i agree with you.

[hygty]

all the excuses dont change the fact that ump/hoosier are charging 35 bucks a tire more than any other sanction. This is not helping the class. the a40s mess just shows that Hoosier and UMP did not do enough testing and were hoping the racers would live with it, tried to blame it on siping etc. not to mention this nonsense of only allowing Ds at some tracks. usra and imca have ONE tire.

and your point is a team can strap new ones on all day long some tracks say the tire you start the night with is the tire you finish with

[modracr41]

and your point is a team can strap new ones on all day long some tracks say the tire you start the night with is the tire you finish with

That's not feasible for modified racing. You will always have the "have's" and the "have-not's" but to level the playing field to the point that "have-not's" aren't out-classed is the goal. New tires will outrun used tires 95% of the time, but you still have to drive the car, know how to set up the car, and how to take care of the tires so they're there at the end of the feature. Those things will win races when $$ won't. UMP changes rules without input from drivers, and more importantly doing some research and looking at what will make a difference. Taking the spoilers off will help on a long, momentum type track, but on a small 1/4 mile bullring track it won't make a difference. They need to look at restricting the high $$, high HP engines and a hard tire with little tread does help with this. Tech is also a huge part of this and for it to be successful it has to be done and enforced. Ask Tom Brady about rules enforcement. UMP would have dropped the minimum air pressure in the rules for all of the balls so what he did wasn't illegal any longer.

[rustymod]

That's not feasible for modified racing. You will always have the "have's" and the "have-not's" but to level the playing field to the point that "have-not's" aren't out-classed is the goal. New tires will outrun used tires 95% of the time, but you still have to drive the car, know how to set up the car, and how to take care of the tires so they're there at the end of the feature. Those things will win races when $$ won't. UMP changes rules without input from drivers, and more importantly doing some research and looking at what will make a difference. Taking the spoilers off will help on a long, momentum type track, but on a small 1/4 mile bullring track it won't make a difference. They need to look at restricting the high $$, high HP engines and a hard tire with little tread does help with this. Tech is also a huge part of this and for it to be successful it has to be done and enforced. Ask Tom Brady about rules enforcement. UMP would have dropped the minimum air pressure in the rules for all of the balls so what he did wasn't illegal any longer.

well said ump has shown this in the past look at the engine rules as soon as Kenny Wallace decides he wants to run a Toyota suddenly the ump engine rules say "other pushrod engine will be considered" in other words since our boy Kenny runs a toyota its now allowed.
I fully expect the ump made the a40s to wear sooner so them and hoosier could make more money now that many tracks do not allow the d. they got caught with the hand in the cookie jar. sure they fixed it after the fact, but its like putting the genie back in the bottle. ump needs to go and they need to take there tires with them. even going to amra would be an upgrade at this point, promoters need to wake up.

[napoleondynamite]

that is the main factor without fans the tracks will have a hard time surviving . doesn't help when you NASCAR on sat night or friday night

You sound a lot like LITE-INN.............just an observation.

[MM90]

What are your UMP tires going for? We pay around $115 for our IMCA tires.

[sirleafalot]

What are your UMP tires going for? We pay around $115 for our IMCA tires.

about 140 each. and they dont last as long as the IMCA or USMTS tires

[DirtDirtCrazy]

I'm not convinced that comparing a tire designed for an IMCA Mod versus a UMP Mod is a fair analysis. From what I can tell an IMCA Mod tops out around 400 hp whereas most UMP Mods are pumping out 600+ hp. When put to the ground I would expect tire wear to be different in these scenarios.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not defending or criticizing Hoosier. All I can tell you is that the last UMP Mod Race I watched was a few weeks back at Charleston Speedway; at least 5 cars logged 13.5 second laps during qualifying on the 3/8 mile track. What was remarkable was the amount of speed carried through the turns. No matter how you cut it, that kind of speed is going to wear on any tire.

[modracr41]

I'm not convinced that comparing a tire designed for an IMCA Mod versus a UMP Mod is a fair analysis. From what I can tell an IMCA Mod tops out around 400 hp whereas most UMP Mods are pumping out 600+ hp. When put to the ground I would expect tire wear to be different in these scenarios.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not defending or criticizing Hoosier. All I can tell you is that the last UMP Mod Race I watched was a few weeks back at Charleston Speedway; at least 5 cars logged 13.5 second laps during qualifying on the 3/8 mile track. What was remarkable was the amount of speed carried through the turns. No matter how you cut it, that kind of speed is going to wear on any tire.

You're a bit off. IMCA cars aren't down that much power to UMP cars, and USMTS cars are on par with them. BOTH run the G60 either KK704 AR, or Hoosier. Sitting back and trying to defend the 40 series tire by saying that it's designed to hook up the power is where you're thinking is flawed. The hard tire with little tread will minimize just how much power the car can put to the ground, thereby leveling the playing field and negating those 700-800hp UMP former 'cup engines everyone in UMP thinks they must have. An IMCA A-modified running on the same track will run maybe a full second slower than the UMP cars if that. From the grandstands, you can't tell the difference.

[$UMP$]

That's not feasible for modified racing. You will always have the "have's" and the "have-not's" but to level the playing field to the point that "have-not's" aren't out-classed is the goal. New tires will outrun used tires 95% of the time, but you still have to drive the car, know how to set up the car, and how to take care of the tires so they're there at the end of the feature. Those things will win races when $$ won't. UMP changes rules without input from drivers, and more importantly doing some research and looking at what will make a difference. Taking the spoilers off will help on a long, momentum type track, but on a small 1/4 mile bullring track it won't make a difference. They need to look at restricting the high $$, high HP engines and a hard tire with little tread does help with this. Tech is also a huge part of this and for it to be successful it has to be done and enforced. Ask Tom Brady about rules enforcement. UMP would have dropped the minimum air pressure in the rules for all of the balls so what he did wasn't illegal any longer.

Yawn!!!!!!!!!!

[team jarvis]

I'm not convinced that comparing a tire designed for an IMCA Mod versus a UMP Mod is a fair analysis. From what I can tell an IMCA Mod tops out around 400 hp whereas most UMP Mods are pumping out 600+ hp. When put to the ground I would expect tire wear to be different in these scenarios. Don't get me wrong, I'm not defending or criticizing Hoosier. All I can tell you is that the last UMP Mod Race I watched was a few weeks back at Charleston Speedway; at least 5 cars logged 13.5 second laps during qualifying on the 3/8 mile track. What was remarkable was the amount of speed carried through the turns. No matter how you cut it, that kind of speed is going to wear on any tire.

LOL from what the STL mod guys are telling me you wont be running those speeds very long on the A40S. USMTS has the deal better tire and same HP.

[hygty]

That's not feasible for modified racing. You will always have the "have's" and the "have-not's" but to level the playing field to the point that "have-not's" aren't out-classed is the goal. New tires will outrun used tires 95% of the time, but you still have to drive the car, know how to set up the car, and how to take care of the tires so they're there at the end of the feature. Those things will win races when $$ won't. UMP changes rules without input from drivers, and more importantly doing some research and looking at what will make a difference. Taking the spoilers off will help on a long, momentum type track, but on a small 1/4 mile bullring track it won't make a difference. They need to look at restricting the high $$, high HP engines and a hard tire with little tread does help with this. Tech is also a huge part of this and for it to be successful it has to be done and enforced. Ask Tom Brady about rules enforcement. UMP would have dropped the minimum air pressure in the rules for all of the balls so what he did wasn't illegal any longer.

that was plain stupid what they dd to Tom Brady did he take the aair out the balls hell no, besidesdidn't the other team use the same ball it was the NFLS fault like i said they should have it what ever tire you start the night thats the one you finish the night with a cuts down tires bought b most guys would start out on hards just to make the night

[hygty]

LOL from what the STL mod guys are telling me you wont be running those speeds very long on the A40S. USMTS has the deal better tire and same HP.

yes the a40 s is gone so what most guys that win run h40s

[rustymod]

that was plain stupid what they dd to Tom Brady did he take the aair out the balls hell no, besidesdidn't the other team use the same ball it was the NFLS fault like i said they should have it what ever tire you start the night thats the one you finish the night with a cuts down tires bought b most guys would start out on hards just to make the night

so lite inn I can see you have learned zero from the short time you were banned on 4m, time to go back the moderator, its impossible to have a discussion on 4m without you insulting people etc and defending ump at every turn when they dont have a leg to stand on. not only that but the same old facts ring true in that you still dont buy any tires at all not one single tire. you have no financial interest in this. please take yourself back to stl racing dirthound we dont need you here. The board returned to a good place to discuss actual racing issues with actual people involved in the sport that have financial concerns that affect them that are spending there own money while you were gone. Please go back to stl racing and stay there.

[team jarvis]

yes the a40 s is gone so what most guys that win run h40s

this is part of the issue within ump d, h, or a, too many tires and not all accepted at all tracks. you dont see this issue in other sanctions.