Pro's & Con's - UMP vs USRA vs IMCA vs AMRA.

[kidrock]

so I guess in the eyes of the owners of route 45 speedway It was worth trying and really that's all that matters. Like I said before know one knows if it will work or not but, one thing is for sure they would never know if they don't try it.

What I get from them trying this is they lost confidence in UMP and want to try something else. I say good luck to them and I hope it works out.
I thought it was stated they had a year to conform to the rules but, I don't know if that means tires as well.

[backspace]

kidrock,,you have to start the year with american racers,,,

[oldschoolmod]

kidrock,,you have to start the year with american racers,,,

good news is that the AR is cheaper than the current Hoosier, it lasts longer and you dont have to switch tires in July. Yeah buying news ones to start is not a cheap deal but in the end its a better deal than UMP, where you are allowed to run Ds at one track not at another,

[kidrock]

kidrock,,you have to start the year with american racers,,,

Ok thanks, I didn't look at that close. Well that will cost the racers more money up front if they already have Hoosier tires they could use but, in the long run it will save them money if the AR are a good tire.

[modracr41]

Ok thanks, I didn't look at that close. Well that will cost the racers more money up front if they already have Hoosier tires they could use but, in the long run it will save them money if the AR are a good tire.

AR's are 10X better than any Hoosier out there. They will not help a non-driving idiot keep from wrecking like the Hoosiers do, but they wear great, last way longer, and are only about $100/tire. All much better than the over-priced 40-series tires UMP mandates. This was the original IMCA modified tire before Hoosier baited IMCA into the one they use now.

[oldschoolmod]

AR's are 10X better than any Hoosier out there. They will not help a non-driving idiot keep from wrecking like the Hoosiers do, but they wear great, last way longer, and are only about $100/tire. All much better than the over-priced 40-series tires UMP mandates. This was the original IMCA modified tire before Hoosier baited IMCA into the one they use now.

The AR tire is slightly cheaper than the A series Hoosier and easier to mount as well. The nice part is if you sign up with USRA thru Route 45's website in Jan, then the drivers gets a pit pass for the entire year. That is about $600 savings which will certainly help pay for tires.

[justsomeguy]

As the man who pays the bills I keep doing the math and I cannot figure out how this is a better deal. Does UMP do everything perfect??? Not even close, however with only one track making the move I do not see how this has a chance. What will Rt 45 do for their big Tim Lewis Memorial race. Last year they went up against the biggest race weekend in Illinois and had some success as far as car count, however which rules will they be running this year. Racers are creatures of habit. As much as we bitch we do not like the unknown. We want to show-up and have everything the same as it was yesterday and last week. There is also much talk about tech. I am sure USRA does not send officials to the track each week. I would presume for the most part it is the tracks responsibility. Just as it is with UMP. It is my belief track promoters are equally responsible for the lack of enforcement of rules. So how does this change by changing the sanctioning name. Personally I would love for UMP to go by every word of the rule book in Florida. Flat out tell guys you cannot race unless it is fixed, however you know what??? As soon as they did that every person on here would be tearing their heads off. It really is a no win situation all the way around.

[$UMP$]

As the man who pays the bills I keep doing the math and I cannot figure out how this is a better deal. Does UMP do everything perfect??? Not even close, however with only one track making the move I do not see how this has a chance. What will Rt 45 do for their big Tim Lewis Memorial race. Last year they went up against the biggest race weekend in Illinois and had some success as far as car count, however which rules will they be running this year. Racers are creatures of habit. As much as we bitch we do not like the unknown. We want to show-up and have everything the same as it was yesterday and last week. There is also much talk about tech. I am sure USRA does not send officials to the track each week. I would presume for the most part it is the tracks responsibility. Just as it is with UMP. It is my belief track promoters are equally responsible for the lack of enforcement of rules. So how does this change by changing the sanctioning name. Personally I would love for UMP to go by every word of the rule book in Florida. Flat out tell guys you cannot race unless it is fixed, however you know what??? As soon as they did that every person on here would be tearing their heads off. It really is a no win situation all the way around.

You just need to realize that all the crybabies on here are never going to run at that USRA track! It will last one season at best!

[kidrock]

What you have to remember RT. 45 had nothing to lose by doing this and no one knows if this will work or not but,one thing is for sure there is some interest in this. Will it be enough only time will tell. there are a few promoters that will be keeping an eye on how things go for RT.45 this year.

[$UMP$]

What you have to remember RT. 45 had nothing to lose by doing this and no one knows if this will work or not but,one thing is for sure there is some interest in this. Will it be enough only time will tell. there are a few promoters that will be keeping an eye on how things go for RT.45 this year.

The question is will they try crawling back to UMP when this fails? Will UMP take them back? I think they have a lot to lose when this fails!

[kidrock]

The question is will they try crawling back to UMP when this fails? Will UMP take them back? I think they have a lot to lose when this fails!

They have nothing to lose or they wouldn't have done it plain and simple. I don't think they care if UMP will take them back or not. I'm guessing if this doesn't work they will get out of the promoting business or try it without a sanction body. Just a hunch.

[HoosierDirtFan]

The question is will they try crawling back to UMP when this fails? Will UMP take them back? I think they have a lot to lose when this fails!

And if it doesn't fail will you finally shut the f*#k up about it and let it be. It's their track and you supposedly live in the same area I do. I don't see you going there to race unless it's for $BIG$ money and that's if you actually do race as you say you do.

[indyboywilliam]

In my opinion.... No Track should NEED to be sanctioned to make it ..... Just have good set of Rules, Be Fair, Follow Rules and treat fans and Drivers the way they should be and all will come together. Take the big Business out of the sport and bring back Good Old Racing

[$UMP$]

And if it doesn't fail will you finally shut the f*#k up about it and let it be. It's their track and you supposedly live in the same area I do. I don't see you going there to race unless it's for $BIG$ money and that's if you actually do race as you say you do.

You don't see me racing because your eyes are closed! I only race at UMP sanctioned tracks! Got it spam boy?

[kidrock]

And if it doesn't fail will you finally shut the f*#k up about it and let it be. It's their track and you supposedly live in the same area I do. I don't see you going there to race unless it's for $BIG$ money and that's if you actually do race as you say you do.

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