Pro's & Con's - UMP vs USRA vs IMCA vs AMRA.

[indyboywilliam]

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where is the like button?

[rustymod]

You don't see me racing because your eyes are closed! I only race at UMP sanctioned tracks! Got it spam boy?

You only crew for lomas at ump tracks and nothing else. Prove it or shut up, you are not running Usra, so stay at shoddy hole with your pal john

[oldschoolmod]

You just need to realize that all the crybabies on here are never going to run at that USRA track! It will last one season at best!

Pit man for 36L, lol, you don't race, none of this applies to you, get back to work on 36L. You claim to race lol, no one on this board believes it.

Even if you were a racer, lol you would not go to route 45, I doubt they want a crybaby ump worshipper like you anyway

[kidrock]

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There it is lol

[buzzxxx666]

You don't see me racing because your eyes are closed! I only race at UMP sanctioned tracks! Got it spam boy?

Liar, name the track and shows results. You are unable to do so.

[$UMP$]

Liar, name the track and shows results. You are unable to do so.

Unwilling to do so Pole Smoker!

[buzzxxx666]

Unwilling to do so Pole Smoker!

unwilling = NO

UNABLE = YES

You cannot you dont race. You have come here and lied countless times about racing at the The Hill, no one...and I mean no one will vouch for you.

The only credible info is that you are on Lomax's crew so keep working on the 36L .

[rustymod]

You don't see me racing because your eyes are closed! I only race at UMP sanctioned tracks! Got it spam boy?

IF you race as you CLAIM then shut up and go race UMP. No one is stopping you. There are TONS of UMP tracks in IN and IL. Knock yourself out.

What are you afraid of ??? So what USRA has one track and they may get more. One track does not affect you.

You are always on here talking about all the big money you have etc. then so the FURK what if USRA comes to town you can just buy new heads and tires and keep racing.

Whats a matter your BK paycheck wont allow you to afford to buy new tires and heads ? If thats the case then you need to ask for a few more hours as the manager at the BK in Hammond you should be able to make that happen lmao.

I sense fear, you are scared that you cant handle USRA, and your 18 degree BS wont be allowed anymore and that you cannot drive on the harder tire...lol that must be the problem here.

Why else would you be against a sanction that will save everyone money on tires and actually do some tech and have a few actual engine rules. The truth is $UMP$ you are scared that USRA will get more tracks.

Go sell fear somewhere else no one here is buying it. Go run UMP leave everyone else alone. Or better yet get back to work on the 36L instead of wasting internet data at Lomax's shop.

[modracr41]

$UMP$ I have a question for you

$UMP$, I asked you in another post, and I'll ask one more time, why is UMP sanctioning SO important to you? If you have no skin in the game, they don't sign your paycheck, and they don't do anything to improve the state of modified racing other than line their own pockets, why is it that you feel the need to defend them at all costs? As you can see, I'm not into the name calling or bashing. I simply want to know. As an owner and driver of modified race cars, I want you to try and explain to me just what it is that I apparently don't understand. Why is UMP SO important and SO good for the state of modified racing?

[$UMP$]

$UMP$, I asked you in another post, and I'll ask one more time, why is UMP sanctioning SO important to you? If you have no skin in the game, they don't sign your paycheck, and they don't do anything to improve the state of modified racing other than line their own pockets, why is it that you feel the need to defend them at all costs? As you can see, I'm not into the name calling or bashing. I simply want to know. As an owner and driver of modified race cars, I want you to try and explain to me just what it is that I apparently don't understand. Why is UMP SO important and SO good for the state of modified racing?

UMP is a business and it's fine with me if they make money because that's what a good business does, make money! I support UMP because I race with them and feel it's wrong to bash them and then race with them! A hypocrite I am not!

[oldschoolmod]

UMP is a business and it's fine with me if they make money because that's what a good business does, make money! I support UMP because I race with them and feel it's wrong to bash them and then race with them! A hypocrite I am not!

sure UMP is making money from Hoosier because everyone that runs UMP is stuck buying there overpriced garbage tire, with the constantly changing tire rules and rumors. rules are NEVER out before the season except for this season. any one else that ran a business that way and would be out of business. The only reason UMP is not out of business is NOT because mod racers support them. Its because the track promoters have not listened to complaints because they are making money. Racers are complaining and if UMP does not make changes soon they are going to loose more tracks. To ignore this fact means that one you either work for UMP of Hoosier or have had your head buried in the sand for years.

In 2017 UMP is going to make another tire change....unreal. Hoosier and UMP are laughing all the way to the bank.

[kidrock]

UMP is a business and it's fine with me if they make money because that's what a good business does, make money! I support UMP because I race with them and feel it's wrong to bash them and then race with them! A hypocrite I am not!

Your right UMP is a business and yes they should make a profit and I don't think anmyone can or will dispute that but, the problem is if they don't find a way to help the racers curb cost they might not have enough clients in the future buit, i will give UMP credit they did pay out over 300,000 in point fund money so, they do do some things right and no one can dispute that.

I dont think anyone can blame a track if they decide to try a different sanction if they are not happy with how that sanction is running their business. Do You?

The only way to make a change is not to support UMP by not buying their sanction membership until that happens nothing will change

[modracr41]

"UMP is a business and it's fine with me if they make money because that's what a good business does, make money! I support UMP because I race with them and feel it's wrong to bash them and then race with them! A hypocrite I am not!" -$UMP$

Ok, fair enough. But if it were cheaper to go a different direction, with just as good racing, car counts, payout, etc. and doing so would prolong the life of the modified class, wouldn't you agree that would be a better choice than sticking with UMP and what they're doing now and not having a class to run eventually? That's what I don't understand. I've run at UMP tracks under sanctioning many times, and I have to tell you, the tire cost, and engine cost for what we're racing for doesn't make sense. I now live in IMCA country, and even though it's not entirely the same, I can tell you that from the (not a nice word)(not a nice word)(not a nice word)(not a nice word)pit, the racing is just as competitive, the cars are the same cars, and I actually have the same fun for way less money. As you said, it's a business. If it costs me more to do something at one place than another, and I don't get anything more for my money at the higher place, it doesn't make good business sense to continue doing that.